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headliner between July 8 1947 the Army

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this - found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged change the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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and K GRA

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you're listening to fade to black with

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math says how you doing it's Monday

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Monday March 4th 2019 63 days into the

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new year just 302 days left as always we

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are live from a bunker somewhere in the

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middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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I am your host Jimmy Church what is

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crack and everybody how you doing how

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you doing that's the question

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it's all good kicking off a brand new

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week here on fade to black an amazing

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show tonight very special guest Greg and

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Helier i benched it over the weekend and

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tomorrow night Mitch Horowitz is here

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boarding benevolence all of that

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can also email throughout the show Jimmy

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at Jimmy Church radio calm let's get to

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all the breaking news we've got a lot of

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rest in peace Luke Prairie and then also

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version of SETI an initiative that would

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towards creating the Penn State

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moon coffee alright scientists now this

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if I'm gonna do some breaking news

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scientists have managed to give mice

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infrared night vision for up to ten

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no side effects raising the possibility

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binding with retinal cells and

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about approaching particles and every

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ESA the European Space Agency the threat

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when lover and betelgeuse best in show

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funny so cool Catherine O'Hara today is

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64 years old our dead guys birthday

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their new series Helier which I did

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binge over the weekend it's a five-part

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docu-series

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I got lots of email and there were the

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posts on Twitter and Facebook you know

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everybody go and check this out well I

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did and you should too and we're gonna

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go through all of that tonight

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discussing Hellyer it's absolutely an

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incredible documentary series and it's

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available on Amazon that's h-e-l-l-o ie

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our Hellyer we've also got the links for

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it over at Jimmy Church radio com

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tomorrow night Mitch Horowitz is back

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Wednesday night is our sole tech special

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event Thursday is another Fator night

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with open lines all night long also this

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Wednesday March 6th is the world

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premiere of

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boarding and benevolence our sole tech

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documentary it's really cool and the

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trailer is available we've had that up

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you can go and check that out but the

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movie is really really good ok now my

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River Moon coffee at this point of the

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show I want to stop the broadcast and

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just sip River Moon coffee

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fade to black Blount tweed hangout I

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wish I could just do that you know jump

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over in the chat rooms and just just

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drink River moon coffee because that's

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what this sip does incredible ok alright

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yeah to to to to to I guess our bunker

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cam is down it's working on YouTube drew

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is working on it he can't figure it out

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at this point but ok alright so that's

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the latest update from Drew my

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fascination with the UFO subject started

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when I was very young and I was like 8

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years old a little bit before that but

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the real stuff happened when I was 8 4th

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grade and my best friend at the time was

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John do brava still lives in Chicago

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don't don't don't

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and don't hunt down John but he's out

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there I've talked to him and he sat next

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to me and mrs. Lavery teased class and

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4th grade and we would sit there and

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draw spaceships draw planes and flying

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saucers and we pretty much did this all

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day long you know we were we were taking

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class I mean we were in fourth grade but

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and we were doing the things that we

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needed to do whatever you know math and

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English and stuff but all day long man

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stacks of drawing paper notebooks book

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covers all that stuff drawing drawing

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those UFOs that's what we did you know

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and then we would go to the library we

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would read everything that we could find

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about our space program

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basses UFOs and each week we would watch

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space 1999 alright and on UHF there was

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the program called UFO equally as good

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as space 1999 space 1999 a little more

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hi-tech and I thought that that was I

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don't know it's kind of a toss-up

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because UFO dealt with UFOs man I love

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that show both out of England by the way

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really really good stuff anyway we were

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all in at the time John de brava and

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myself well over the next four decades

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I've always felt that these crafts and

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those that pilot them you know are

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coming from deep space another solar

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system within our own Milky Way and for

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the most part I still do believe that

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this is the case but over the last 10

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years or so and certainly over the last

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six things for me are starting to change

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somewhat now first first more data and

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science is starting to come through and

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I talk about it often on the show and

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there is all of that all of the science

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whether it is you know hard science and

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then you have physics not only here on

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on earth but the astrophysics and the

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study of of the cosmos there's that but

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there's something else and that is the

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more that I talk to different

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researchers from different fields like

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cryptozoology or Bigfoot and religion

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you know ghosts channeling remote

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viewing time travel right science and

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parallel world space astronomy history

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whatever and of course ufology it's the

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more that everything seems to overlap

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everything seems to be connected in some

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way I have done so many interviews now

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and when I came into broadcasting I had

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I had a view

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that was at that time somewhat changing

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that I felt that UFOs were possibly

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interdimensional or possibly that some

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UFOs may even be us you know time

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traveling from the future there's

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there's that element and I felt that

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there was something else going on other

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than just a straight spaceship somehow

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getting here from interstellar space you

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know and and as as the years have gone

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by and pulling me up to today there's

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there's something else going on

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everything is connected if you think

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about it

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angels demons reptilians you know flying

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craft ghosts channeling time travel

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parallel worlds you know and and contact

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with something other than us this is

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nothing new

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I'm not planning a flag here it's been

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talked about going back thousands of

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years and it's always been here with us

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we've talked about it constantly at

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every level of society every every

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civilization everything on this planet

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has been talking about all of these

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subjects strange things in the sky are

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not some modern thing it's not it's not

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since the Wright brothers or hot-air

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balloons

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knew no this goes back goes back and and

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information and and stuff from the stars

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in the heavens right ghosts the

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afterlife parallel worlds time travel

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that's been talked about for thousands

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of years so today where we have the

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technology for the most part for the

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very first time to find out what is

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going on from the quantum level you know

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the very smallest of the small all the

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way out to the edge of the known

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universe you know the biggest of the big

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we are finding some of the answers to

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the questions that have been around for

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a very long time and one of them

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is that everything

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connected from that atomic level all the

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way to the farthest galaxies so for

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those that have wondered why Bigfoot can

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survive in the force and never be

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captured or you know we haven't found a

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body yet well maybe just maybe Sasquatch

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is something interdimensional or how a

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UFO can just appear or disappear in

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seconds right ghosts we know time travel

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is possible there's no question about it

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and how could all of this play into all

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of the paranormal and supernatural

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events that seemed to happen to nearly

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everyone every day all over the planet

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remember the big footprints that we

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found at East SETI a bit he said he

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ranch last August well there were just

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four in the biggest the clearest one was

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the first one with the other three you

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know curving to the right but there was

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nothing before or after those four it

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was like Bigfoot just appeared you know

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just appeared took a few steps and then

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poof gone I can't explain that I don't

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know the only thing that and I've always

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been a skeptic on Bigfoot and when I see

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something like this like evidence of the

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possibility of Bigfoot walking through

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this field where the footprints that

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were before it doesn't make any sense

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the first one is the clearest shouldn't

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there be something else from before

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there wasn't and then it just curved off

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and then stopped does it make any sense

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well I think that one day and one day

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very soon we'll find out that it's all

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connected and and that it's very simple

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and we can all just kick back and go

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well make sense you know okay we can

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move on and what I mean what I mean is

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this we'll all be able to accept that

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all of this is just a norm

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part of our lives right the folding of

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space-time travel parallel worlds and

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that to me is disclosure you know think

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about it for a second once something is

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figured out and I say it all the time

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once one domino falls and that we find

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out when you have physicists discussing

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things at the quantum level and

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interaction and entanglement and that

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goes off into quantum mechanics and an

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infinite parallel worlds and the

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interaction in you know between them

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that's at a scientific level of research

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but that's our research - that's what

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we're looking into here and Einstein and

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time travel and time loops right whoa

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how that ties into space and how quantum

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particles can react and entangle with

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others flying out to different places in

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the galaxy in the universe it's like

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wait a minute here that answers a lot of

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questions not only with space and and

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travel and internet and interstellar

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travel and faster than the speed of

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light it answers a lot of those

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questions but it also starts to connect

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to the electric and the electric

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universe and and channeling telepathy

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communication at faster than the speed

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of light all of this goes back down and

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is interconnected and goes right back to

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everything that we are dealing with

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today which is the afterlife and goes to

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parallel worlds and and an ET in the

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inter-dimensionally craft that seemed to

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appear and disappear I've seen it myself

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and I can't explain what is going on

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with that it doesn't make any sense

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it's an unbelievable time to be alive

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and all of this goes right to

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our guest tonight and that is Greg and

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Dana Newkirk this new series this

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docu-series goes starts at one place

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starts at one specific spot and where it

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leads them we're gonna discuss all of

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this tonight is touching upon everything

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that I just discussed right now and it's

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all wrapped up in in one docu-series and

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it encompasses all of the guests that

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I've had on fade to black

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it's all starting to make some sense not

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to say that some of these crafts are

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real nuts-and-bolts craft traveling

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space okay I'm not saying suggesting

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that at all and I'm also not suggesting

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that Bigfoot quite possibly could be a

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species that doesn't want to be detected

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and he's firmly planted here and he's

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just hiding from us there's that too as

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well then there's all of the other

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questions that lay out there so tonight

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our guests are Greg and Dana Newkirk

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they're new docu-series is called

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Hellyer we'll be discussing all of that

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and the links for Hellyer and weird HQ

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their website or over at Jimmy Church

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radio calm this is fade to black army

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Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter at J

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Church radio email is Jimmy at Jimmy

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Church radio calm from the GameChanger

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network and kg ra the planet I'll be

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right back after this short break we're

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tonight's guest Greg and Dana Newkirk

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stay with me

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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fade to black on Jimmy Church radio.com

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your host jimmy church tonight

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our guests are Greg and Dana Newkirk

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radio calm Greg is one of the world's

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the strange and the supernatural and

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conducting groundbreaking researchers

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abduction to poltergeist hauntings Dana

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is a practicing hedge which that's right

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with well over two decades of experience

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in seeking out the strangest cases of

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the unexplained Dana began her career by

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forming the first ever all-female

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paranormal investigation team in the

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late 1990s the subject of spaces girly

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goes to other series she has been

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featured on The Learning Channel kindred

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spirits and destination America's

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paranormal lockdown I would like to

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welcome back to fade to black Greg and

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Dana Newkirk and welcome back and before

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I say what have you guys been up to well

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obviously we know the answer to that now

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[Laughter]

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and it's so good to hear your voices and

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and the series is pretty extraordinary

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and before we get to that and I do want

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to dive into it pretty quickly because

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there's so much to cover and even though

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this is a three-hour show we always run

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out of time

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and there's so many different paranormal

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and supernatural things that go down in

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this series that it's it's like a

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two-part show but we'll get as much of

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it done as we can there's one thing that

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I kind of want to start off here is that

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before you two got together I'm I'm

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going to actually focus or push this

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towards Dana first Greg okay but before

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you two got together you guys were

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actually on the same type of career path

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in that you guys are very young and you

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and your friends are going into the

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paranormal world you know both of you

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were doing the same thing and in the

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beginning of the first episode you say

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Greg that you you've been doing this for

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twenty years or whatever but the first

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five years don't count right and now I

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want to throw that we're gonna discuss

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that but Dana do you have the same story

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do the first five years are those are

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those eeks made from the from the CV I

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think so yeah I mean the first five

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years for me was really trying to figure

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out what exactly we were looking into

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and what we were doing so there was sort

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of a lot of a lot of test testing and

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kind of just messing around and getting

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scared and going to places that you know

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we thought was haunted and it was just

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sort of a lot of that kind of stuff so I

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like to consider the first five years

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sort of my prep for me kind of then

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becoming taking it a little bit more

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seriously how old were you at the

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beginning of the the paranormal journey

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early teens I I actually was I'm a

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little bit older than Greg so I was

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probably about eighteen but around

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eighteen when I first kind of formed

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girly ghost hunters and yeah we were

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kind of like a group of young ladies

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that were just really into the

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paranormal and really into kind of

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investigating it so we would just kind

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of go out to all of the local places

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where I grew up

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and you know investigate them looking

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for activity well everybody's got the

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the story of the the house in the

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neighborhood that's haunted right is

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that what you guys did first absolutely

729
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,920
well originally our our big thing with

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cemeteries because you know you could go

731
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there at night and you didn't have to

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ask permission most of the time or at

733
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least we didn't ask question but yeah we

734
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were always into like looking into the

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finding whatever place in our in our

736
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town was sort of like had that had that

737
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story attached to it and we wanted to

738
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see whether or not it was legitimately

739
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haunted but yeah we were totally looking

740
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looking for that perfect Stephen King

741
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:28,939
haunted house we all say this cemeteries

742
00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:31,819
freaked me out during the day right

743
00:38:39,279 --> 00:38:34,999
there right yeah yeah they're scary and

744
00:38:42,249 --> 00:38:39,289
I have never and never will go to a

745
00:38:44,469 --> 00:38:42,259
cemetery at night just asking for you're

746
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:44,479
asking for challenge yeah yeah you're

747
00:38:50,259 --> 00:38:47,689
asking I mean why why volunteer yourself

748
00:38:54,609 --> 00:38:50,269
for it every dance is crazy but that

749
00:38:57,069 --> 00:38:54,619
when I was growing up there was there

750
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was the there were woods next to our

751
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:00,759
junior high school PS 103 in

752
00:39:04,479 --> 00:39:02,900
Indianapolis and you can go and look and

753
00:39:08,919 --> 00:39:04,489
the woods are still there and there was

754
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:08,929
this concrete like asphalt pathway that

755
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:11,150
cut through the woods you could cross

756
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38th Street and and take the back

757
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entrance to the junior high school which

758
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:19,099
is where I walked every day right but in

759
00:39:24,429 --> 00:39:21,890
these woods off to your left when you're

760
00:39:27,339 --> 00:39:24,439
walking towards the school was a house

761
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:27,349
an abandoned house and it wasn't an old

762
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:30,410
house it was just like a suburban brick

763
00:39:34,449 --> 00:39:33,049
home that had all the windows knocked

764
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:34,459
out of it and was sitting out there in

765
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:36,380
the woods and I'd walk by it every day

766
00:39:43,209 --> 00:39:41,119
and one day after school me and a couple

767
00:39:45,189 --> 00:39:43,219
of friends decide to walk over and you

768
00:39:46,749 --> 00:39:45,199
know everybody said it was haunted and I

769
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:46,759
walked and I told the story before on

770
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:49,729
the air and I walked into the living

771
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:53,900
room and on the floor which was wooden

772
00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:58,160
was burnt my memory says it was burnt it

773
00:40:01,200 --> 00:39:59,790
was black

774
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:01,210
[Music]

775
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:04,010
pentagram with a circle and it was like

776
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:06,290
10 foot in diameter right right in front

777
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:09,380
of the fireplace I'm like man I'm out of

778
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:17,440
it's so I never went back you know I was

779
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,680
you're supposed to light some candles

780
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:20,240
and lay down in the middle of it it

781
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:23,660
freaked me out this was this is I'm

782
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:27,950
gonna say 1974 now what a wasted

783
00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:31,580
opportunity right so there you go but

784
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:33,350
we've all got those houses in our

785
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:36,500
neighborhoods don't we yeah mm-hmm and

786
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:39,890
and for you yeah for you Greg okay let's

787
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:42,170
switch over to you because this is where

788
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:47,500
this story kicks off you had your little

789
00:40:55,210 --> 00:40:51,770
crew of friends that we're doing this

790
00:40:59,290 --> 00:40:55,220
and you guys had the vision of starting

791
00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:59,300
a website oddly enough this is the first

792
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:01,720
five years of your life that that that

793
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:04,910
that earn of the professional realm but

794
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:06,950
it turns out it's the reason for this

795
00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:10,910
series yeah we you know we were just a

796
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,940
bunch of 12 13 year old kids and we

797
00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:15,680
watched too much Buffy the Vampire

798
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:17,840
Slayer next Files and unsolved mystery

799
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:19,790
isn't that kind of thing and we started

800
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:21,380
because we were gonna go and take one of

801
00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:23,930
our friends into the cemetery and we had

802
00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:26,180
our older friends hiding and this dates

803
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:27,980
it a little bit because they were making

804
00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:32,330
like the Blair Witch symbols with twigs

805
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:34,340
and they'd set the cemetery up with

806
00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:37,190
fishing line and stuff like that and we

807
00:41:41,110 --> 00:41:39,080
had such a good time scaring our friend

808
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:41,120
we thought well let's start going to

809
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:43,640
cemeteries for real and the first time

810
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:45,380
we did was the cemeteries mining

811
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:46,430
cemetery out in the middle of nowhere

812
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:51,250
and we had so much activity that we

813
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:53,570
immediately went oh my god monsters are

814
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,670
real we can actually we can actually

815
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:57,920
hunt these things so we started reading

816
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:00,800
books by Hans Holzer and the Warrens and

817
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:03,400
all that good stuff and then we we

818
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:05,630
started a website we started a really

819
00:42:09,579 --> 00:42:07,730
crappy geo city's website

820
00:42:12,339 --> 00:42:09,589
with the Geocities page builder and

821
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:12,349
these pictures of us with medieval

822
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:15,940
weapons and just absolute absurdity

823
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:17,089
ridiculousness

824
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:22,430
and we it became something of a small

825
00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:24,650
cult following in our high school

826
00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:26,270
because everyone wanted to know what

827
00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:29,020
kind of adventures we were going on and

828
00:42:33,609 --> 00:42:31,430
one thing led to another and we were

829
00:42:35,170 --> 00:42:33,619
just out every single weekend sometimes

830
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:35,180
on weeknights sneaking out of the house

831
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:37,700
I had to wear my soccer cleats because

832
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:40,070
my dad used to check the shoes out in

833
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:42,470
the front room because I snuck out so

834
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:46,550
much really that's what started it

835
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:48,650
that's and eventually as we went you

836
00:42:52,839 --> 00:42:49,730
know we realized things got a little

837
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:52,849
more serious and you know as these

838
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:55,010
things tend to do everybody grew up and

839
00:42:58,930 --> 00:42:56,780
everybody went to college and people got

840
00:43:01,720 --> 00:42:58,940
jobs and lives and Ghost Hunters

841
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:01,730
incorporated just sort of dissolved but

842
00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:04,490
the website sat there and we just kind

843
00:43:09,310 --> 00:43:06,980
of kept it up for a while and anyone who

844
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:09,320
found it found this website run by a

845
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:11,230
what looked like a bunch of teenage kids

846
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:15,770
with battle-axes and why the pictures

847
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:18,680
are pretty cool and this is all laid out

848
00:43:24,099 --> 00:43:22,220
really well in inhaler and in the first

849
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:24,109
episode and and we're gonna stay right

850
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:26,510
here for a second because it is truly

851
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:30,050
key and truer words have never been

852
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:32,750
spoken and that is when you least expect

853
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:35,210
it right when you least expect it and

854
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:38,920
then and that's what happened here but

855
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:45,800
the idea for Hellyer how did that

856
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,430
actually come about in that you were

857
00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:51,440
sitting on all of this data which we're

858
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:53,720
gonna go through right now you were

859
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:55,550
sitting on all of that did you think it

860
00:44:01,930 --> 00:43:58,250
was going to be a series or were you

861
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:01,940
just documenting you know this this you

862
00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:06,290
know this investigation uh no we we had

863
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:08,599
no intention you know it kind of just

864
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,390
stalled out and the where we had left

865
00:44:15,609 --> 00:44:13,520
the case was there just wasn't a whole

866
00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:15,619
lot that we we felt we could do with it

867
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:17,030
and you know we got really busy and we

868
00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:19,430
started to do you know we were working

869
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:21,600
for a start-up here in Cincinnati

870
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:23,160
working 14-hour days and we just didn't

871
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:24,840
really have time to pursue much of that

872
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:25,650
type of stuff

873
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:29,280
and when the idea of to do the series

874
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:31,110
came about was actually our friend Karl

875
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,920
Pfeiffer he was listening to an old

876
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:36,660
radio show I'd done where I was talking

877
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:37,590
about the case

878
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:40,110
it wasn't anything new he just had found

879
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:43,110
it and was listening to it and as he was

880
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:46,380
listening to me talk about this case he

881
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:48,450
was on Twitter just tweeting about it

882
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:52,050
and in the feed he sees an article from

883
00:44:57,830 --> 00:44:54,270
our website we can weird that we had

884
00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:57,840
written years and years ago post about

885
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,570
this case in Helier and he kind of

886
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:02,280
messaged me and was like hey you know

887
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:04,650
good timing you know thank you for

888
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:05,970
throwing that up and I was like dude I

889
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:07,590
didn't do that he's like what do you

890
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:10,890
mean I said well we have a an app on the

891
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:12,630
website that just takes old content

892
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,310
evergreen content and churns it to the

893
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,380
top so it doesn't get lost and it

894
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:18,300
randomly picked that while he was

895
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,050
listening to this radio show out of like

896
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:24,780
1,700 articles or something and it was

897
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,760
just this strange synchronicity that

898
00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:29,460
Karl said okay I think something's

899
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:31,080
telling me we need to go do this now I

900
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,270
think this is the right time and I mean

901
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:34,920
we even kind of fought him a little bit

902
00:45:39,590 --> 00:45:37,950
because we we didn't know exactly what

903
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:39,600
we were gonna find out and it didn't

904
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:43,170
seem like a very sure thing but he

905
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:45,690
insisted and so a few months later he

906
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:48,450
showed up in Cincinnati and he was the

907
00:45:53,570 --> 00:45:49,950
first person we ever told the name of

908
00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:53,580
the town to now this is I want to throw

909
00:46:00,980 --> 00:45:57,750
this at Dana because Greg just mentioned

910
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:00,990
the key word here at least for me after

911
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:04,920
I have watched all five episodes that

912
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:08,280
this series which is about the

913
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:11,640
supernatural and UFOs and ET and ghosts

914
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,380
and paranormal and goblins and

915
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:16,380
everything but it's not about that it's

916
00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:20,210
about chasing and identifying

917
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,860
synchronicities that's what this series

918
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:25,200
is about and and and following your

919
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:27,190
intuition

920
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:31,240
yeah I mean it was undeniable

921
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:34,990
once we as a group arrived in Halley ER

922
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:37,180
and all of the synchronicities were

923
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:39,940
lining up over and over and over and

924
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:42,040
over again it was undeniable at that

925
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,890
point to not recognize that really what

926
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:46,720
we were doing was investigating this

927
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:49,270
phenomena this phenomena of high

928
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:53,080
strangeness of just weirdness that might

929
00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:56,140
not make sense in the moment but as you

930
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:57,820
continue kind of going further and

931
00:47:01,920 --> 00:46:59,490
further and further down the rabbit hole

932
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:01,930
things start to line up and things start

933
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:04,330
to make sense and what at one point in

934
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:06,940
time seemed incredibly strange suddenly

935
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:09,610
is you know an important piece of your

936
00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:12,340
investigation so yeah it was really the

937
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,260
synchronicities were really what we're

938
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:16,720
kind of driving us forward and giving us

939
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:19,180
direction in it at a certain point they

940
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,740
were happening so often that we just

941
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:23,200
decided I mean let's follow it let's run

942
00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:26,350
with it it was the most fun part of of

943
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,040
this was you guys recognizing these

944
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:33,040
events as they started to pop up which

945
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:35,290
seemed to be endless but it's

946
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:37,870
recognizing it and and following up on

947
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:40,660
it and what is sad is how many people go

948
00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:43,330
through life ignoring synchronicities

949
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:46,600
right and not not seizing the moment and

950
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:49,480
going and chasing after something they

951
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:52,150
choose to just a synchronicities come on

952
00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:54,850
you know that's you know and if you guys

953
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:57,160
didn't do that there would there would

954
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:00,640
not be a hell year today yeah they were

955
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,580
I mean they were the road signs for us

956
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:06,160
they were what we're pointing us in the

957
00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:08,740
directions that we we would run in so

958
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:10,300
yet you're absolutely right I think the

959
00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:12,310
more that you embrace them and the more

960
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:15,400
that you recognize sacred cities in your

961
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:17,050
life the more you start to experience

962
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:18,490
them because you're sort of in the

963
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:21,010
phenomena at that point ok so now let's

964
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:29,260
you guys go in to your separate ways the

965
00:48:34,180 --> 00:48:31,550
original crew right Ghost Hunters Inc I

966
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:34,190
think is what it was called yep and you

967
00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:36,470
guys go your separate ways but there was

968
00:48:44,350 --> 00:48:39,550
an email link that stayed live on this

969
00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:44,360
Geocities website and you decided to

970
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:49,340
check your email one day yeah we I was

971
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:51,590
living in Canada at the time Dana and I

972
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:53,150
had kind of hopped around the country

973
00:49:00,040 --> 00:48:57,970
and this was about what was this 2012 I

974
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:00,050
hopped around the country and Dan and I

975
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:03,260
had done the on-and-off thing and an

976
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:05,000
event it was my turn so I was in Canada

977
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:06,170
I was going through Canadian immigration

978
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:10,970
and you know GHI that had been dead for

979
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:13,960
years the website just kind of sat there

980
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:16,370
occasionally we got some emails to it

981
00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:18,050
some most the time it was just people

982
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,460
who thought that we were from the sci-fi

983
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:22,640
channel show Ghost Hunters so one night

984
00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:27,230
my email dings and it's actually the

985
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:30,500
Ghost Hunters incorporated email and I

986
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:32,180
thought well that's interesting because

987
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:35,210
the subject line was something the

988
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:37,070
effect of urgent need help please

989
00:49:42,190 --> 00:49:40,610
respond and I opened it up and it was

990
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:42,200
from this guy said his name was David

991
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:46,640
Christie and he laid out the story about

992
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:49,670
how there were these creatures coming

993
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:51,530
out of mine shaft on the edge of his

994
00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:53,930
property in Hellyer Kentucky which is a

995
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:56,660
very rural coal town in Eastern Kentucky

996
00:50:02,740 --> 00:49:59,900
and they were tapping on his children's

997
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:02,750
windows at night they were doing weird

998
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,150
things like taking the wreaths off of it

999
00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:07,280
off of his door and shoving it in his

1000
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:09,860
mailbox and going through his his his

1001
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:12,230
storage shed and frightening his family

1002
00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:15,130
the guy seemed to be very terrified and

1003
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:19,460
I initially kind of brushed it off

1004
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:20,990
because I thought somebody was playing a

1005
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,840
trick on me because there was no reason

1006
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,760
for an email to go to this email account

1007
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:27,440
one of the things that he said is he

1008
00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:30,260
said our mutual friend told me to

1009
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:31,580
contact you and said you're

1010
00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:33,130
well-equipped to handle these things

1011
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:35,180
anyone who went to that web site would

1012
00:50:39,099 --> 00:50:37,820
know right away we were not we didn't

1013
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:39,109
see that web site in a bunch

1014
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:41,690
kids holding you know torches in in

1015
00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:44,150
bowling shirts yes right these are the

1016
00:50:51,099 --> 00:50:46,220
guys to handle this problem I need some

1017
00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:51,109
15 year olds on my case didn't make any

1018
00:50:55,870 --> 00:50:53,329
sense right I thought okay one of my

1019
00:50:58,089 --> 00:50:55,880
friends is putting me on and I responded

1020
00:50:59,769 --> 00:50:58,099
much the way I do to some of the crazier

1021
00:51:02,229 --> 00:50:59,779
emails we get and I just said

1022
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:02,239
straight-faced well listen that's really

1023
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:04,849
interesting we'd love to help you need

1024
00:51:09,759 --> 00:51:07,220
to give me some more details do you have

1025
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:09,769
photographs of these things give me some

1026
00:51:13,059 --> 00:51:11,210
evidence that this is happening and

1027
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:13,069
we'll do our best to find some help for

1028
00:51:19,059 --> 00:51:16,130
you now I want to I want to jump in at

1029
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:19,069
this point the question that you're

1030
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,839
going to answer in a second is how long

1031
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:23,359
did it take him to respond but I want to

1032
00:51:32,289 --> 00:51:26,660
say this that letter which is read in

1033
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:32,299
its entirety in episode 1 literally sent

1034
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:36,670
chills down my spine that was a pretty

1035
00:51:43,749 --> 00:51:40,640
terrifying letter it was pretty

1036
00:51:45,999 --> 00:51:43,759
extraordinary especially the parts about

1037
00:51:49,450 --> 00:51:46,009
his daughter and and what was happening

1038
00:51:51,549 --> 00:51:49,460
at the bedroom window and and so for

1039
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:51,559
everybody when you go see Helier pay

1040
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,890
attention to that that letter and the

1041
00:52:00,940 --> 00:51:56,720
entire thing is right ok so how long did

1042
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,950
it take for him to reply it didn't take

1043
00:52:05,049 --> 00:52:02,480
too long I if I remember correctly I

1044
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:05,059
only took like a week or two and he

1045
00:52:13,089 --> 00:52:08,390
responded and actually sent photographs

1046
00:52:15,579 --> 00:52:13,099
of these three-toed footprints that were

1047
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:15,589
coming from the the creeks that led to

1048
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:19,249
the mine shaft by his property and that

1049
00:52:24,130 --> 00:52:21,890
was when I went oh maybe something's

1050
00:52:27,279 --> 00:52:24,140
going on here because they were striking

1051
00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:27,289
photographs the first thing we did is I

1052
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:29,239
took them and I posted them on my

1053
00:52:33,729 --> 00:52:31,730
Facebook account and I just asked my

1054
00:52:35,769 --> 00:52:33,739
friends you're doing this long enough

1055
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:35,779
you know you meet lots of interesting

1056
00:52:39,249 --> 00:52:37,670
people that's one of my favorite parts I

1057
00:52:41,319 --> 00:52:39,259
know tons of people who are experts at

1058
00:52:44,289 --> 00:52:41,329
stuff that I am NOT an expert at so I

1059
00:52:46,269 --> 00:52:44,299
wanted to see what my friends who you

1060
00:52:47,799 --> 00:52:46,279
know worked in nature thought about

1061
00:52:49,259 --> 00:52:47,809
these things what my Bigfoot hunter

1062
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,269
friends thought about these things and

1063
00:52:52,990 --> 00:52:52,640
you know no one could seem to figure out

1064
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:53,000
exact

1065
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,530
what made them but what was really

1066
00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:56,720
interesting was the Bigfoot hunters in

1067
00:53:01,590 --> 00:52:59,090
particular were really caught up by

1068
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:01,600
these things called dermal ridges

1069
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:03,590
they're one of the things that Bigfoot

1070
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,570
hunters look for in their tracks to see

1071
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:08,240
if the tracks are real or fake and these

1072
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,190
prints had dermal ridges which are

1073
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:13,040
basically like they're like fingerprints

1074
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:15,470
for the for the foot clear is about

1075
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:19,820
clear as a bell I couldn't believe when

1076
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:22,130
they popped up I was like well look at

1077
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:25,490
that I see fingerprints yeah absolutely

1078
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:27,800
they were I mean it's it's it's like you

1079
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:29,650
said clear as a bell it's right there

1080
00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:32,990
but they were really striking three toed

1081
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,630
prints the likes of which I'd not seen

1082
00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:38,000
before some Bigfoot hunters said they

1083
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:39,380
looked reminiscent of some of the

1084
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:40,670
Bigfoot tracks that they've seen but

1085
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:44,750
they were much much smaller so the first

1086
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:46,310
thing I his I emailed him back and I

1087
00:53:50,050 --> 00:53:48,350
said well okay you've got to tell me

1088
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:50,060
more this is really interesting you've

1089
00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:53,570
got my attention now and then it wasn't

1090
00:53:58,740 --> 00:53:55,720
too long before he sent me a whole other

1091
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,750
set of prints and this time they had

1092
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,280
like a measuring stick next to them and

1093
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:03,920
then he also sent me photographs of what

1094
00:54:08,590 --> 00:54:06,470
he claimed were the creatures these ones

1095
00:54:10,690 --> 00:54:08,600
weren't quite as striking they were in

1096
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:10,700
in typical paranormal fashion very

1097
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:13,820
blurry hard to make out but if you look

1098
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:16,370
at the photos it looks like the one of

1099
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:17,960
them looks like something peeking around

1100
00:54:23,410 --> 00:54:22,010
a tree a little tiny pale figure with

1101
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,420
like an arm that looks like it's

1102
00:54:27,310 --> 00:54:25,040
reaching around a tree you can see a

1103
00:54:29,890 --> 00:54:27,320
shoulder you can see a shoulder which I

1104
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:29,900
thought was pretty cool yeah you can see

1105
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:31,430
the shoulder you can see the round head

1106
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:34,190
and it almost looks luminescent which is

1107
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:37,310
a really interesting detail because what

1108
00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:39,110
we started to compare this case to was

1109
00:54:43,330 --> 00:54:41,360
the case of the Hopkinsville goblins but

1110
00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:43,340
back in 1955 on the other side of

1111
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:47,870
Kentucky they these creatures were said

1112
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:50,990
to be luminescent like they glowed so

1113
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:52,820
that was a really interesting detail the

1114
00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:54,410
the whatever this thing was in this

1115
00:54:57,970 --> 00:54:56,540
photo look like it glowed and then there

1116
00:55:00,970 --> 00:54:57,980
was another photograph that looked like

1117
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:00,980
a side profile and the side profile when

1118
00:55:05,170 --> 00:55:03,170
you lighten it up looks quite a bit like

1119
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:05,180
your typical grey alien you can kind of

1120
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:06,910
see the high cheek bone

1121
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the big black eye and the the pointy

1122
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:13,540
chin and he had taken these after he had

1123
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,180
already fled his home oh that's right we

1124
00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:18,880
left out we left out that detail right

1125
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:22,030
so he was there and with his family and

1126
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:24,490
then when he wrote back he said you know

1127
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:27,430
what had to split so being the family of

1128
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left I came back for a few days and and

1129
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I took these pictures and I'm sending

1130
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him to you now yeah and he had gone back

1131
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with his things brother-in-law to

1132
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collect some of their stuff and sure

1133
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:42,340
enough they came out of the out of the

1134
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forest so he sent me these photos and i

1135
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said okay i'm in i you know i i'm stuck

1136
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in canada right now i don't know when

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i'll be able to get down give me your

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address

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give me your detail give me a phone

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number anything because i'm very

1141
00:56:01,320 --> 00:55:58,810
interested

1142
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:01,330
let's let's do this let's go now moment

1143
00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:02,830
ilya heard from it again i that was my

1144
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:04,060
question what was the next time you

1145
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:04,950
heard from him

1146
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:09,240
never again that was dropped off the map

1147
00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:12,850
crazy crazy turn of events here and all

1148
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:15,340
of the photographs are pretty compelling

1149
00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:17,980
and what we have here now we're gonna

1150
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pick up when we come back i'm gonna head

1151
00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:20,619
towards a break

1152
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:22,660
but what we have here now is what

1153
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:27,040
appears to be a UFO case you know an ET

1154
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:29,950
contact case because those look like

1155
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:32,500
greys right that's what it looks like in

1156
00:56:38,099 --> 00:56:35,650
in the pictures he says they're coming

1157
00:56:41,490 --> 00:56:38,109
out of these caves but for me at this

1158
00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:41,500
point of Hellyer we've got us a UFO

1159
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:44,560
encounter of the third kind and where

1160
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this goes next yeah it gets crazier and

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crazier and crazier guests tonight are

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Greg and Dana Newkirk

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[Applause]

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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am your host Amy Church on the game

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can follow me on twitter at JD o @j

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Church radio hashtag if to be is the

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sandbox you can follow Dana and Greg

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they've got at weird HQ on Twitter and

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Newkirk which is Craig how do you spell

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new Kirk it's a play on words and you e

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ke R K okay you can follow Greg right

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there and we've got it all up on Twitter

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this is where I want to go to next in

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that everything is connected right John

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keel talked about it and of course

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Aquila's referenced throughout the

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documentary series but everything is

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connected but at this point you guys are

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going into it at the top of the curve

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here you know with only the letter and

1307
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these photographs want to ask you Dana

1308
01:03:57,290 --> 01:03:51,660
where did you think this was headed at

1309
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this point I I think for me I had kind

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of personally gone through a bit of a

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rollercoaster with it so initially I was

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really skeptical then when we received

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the photos you know they were pretty

1314
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incredible and it was hard to deny that

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there was something legitimately strange

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going going on so I was hoping that what

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what would happen is that we would be

1318
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able to find this person and sit down

1319
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with him and have him give us his know

1320
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not only what he had already told us

1321
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kind of in a face-to-face capacity but I

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wanted to know what was going on and

1323
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what had been going on since he had you

1324
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know didn't stopped emailing us well and

1325
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you you come from the paranormal side of

1326
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the fence so were you leaning towards

1327
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something crypto something of that

1328
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nature or were you thinking et I think

1329
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initially my brain instantly went to the

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kind of cryptid space and that is mostly

1331
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just because you know the footprints I

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have we had a little bit of experience

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at that point in the Bigfoot space right

1334
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so for me the footprints they were this

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kind of tangible piece of evidence

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that I could sort of lock into and focus

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on so yeah initially I was really in the

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headspace of sort of again a cryptid

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space but that that changed as we

1340
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continued along on our investigation and

1341
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how about you Greg where were you

1342
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leaning Oh a hundred percent cryptid I

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you know one of the things that David

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had mentioned in his emails was that he

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believed that the creatures were

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extraterrestrial and while that's

1347
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:33,849
interesting to me you don't typically

1348
01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:35,770
when people talk about cases of

1349
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:38,230
abduction and closed encounters you

1350
01:05:43,050 --> 01:05:40,510
don't typically get footprints with

1351
01:05:44,609 --> 01:05:43,060
those types of things and so I I just

1352
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:44,619
thought that somebody had put this weird

1353
01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:45,820
idea in his head that it was

1354
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:48,580
extraterrestrial maybe it was some kind

1355
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:50,200
of cryptid maybe it was some sort of uh

1356
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:52,930
you know kind of like the the lizard the

1357
01:05:58,380 --> 01:05:54,840
Bishopville lizard man or whatever

1358
01:06:01,500 --> 01:05:58,390
that's where my head was at if it wasn't

1359
01:06:02,849 --> 01:06:01,510
just someone trying to pull our leg it

1360
01:06:05,099 --> 01:06:02,859
was kind of a toss-up between then

1361
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:05,109
between those two and it wasn't really

1362
01:06:08,849 --> 01:06:06,609
like Dana said it wasn't until we

1363
01:06:11,490 --> 01:06:08,859
actually started to get into Helier and

1364
01:06:13,740 --> 01:06:11,500
talk to people and see what kind of

1365
01:06:14,910 --> 01:06:13,750
experiences we were having that our

1366
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:14,920
minds were changed on that

1367
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:18,250
now Helier was another synchronicity too

1368
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:22,450
as well that popped up with all of you

1369
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:26,710
including Karl very strange how the word

1370
01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:29,770
gets mentioned when you hadn't said

1371
01:06:39,810 --> 01:06:33,160
anything in social media about the

1372
01:06:44,790 --> 01:06:39,820
location right it was to just give a bit

1373
01:06:48,089 --> 01:06:44,800
of backstory here we in 2013 we started

1374
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:48,099
to shoot a web series and on that web

1375
01:06:54,750 --> 01:06:50,530
series we were going to tackle a bunch

1376
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:54,760
of different things so Bigfoot alien

1377
01:06:58,680 --> 01:06:57,130
abduction we hung out with vampires like

1378
01:07:00,240 --> 01:06:58,690
you name it we want to do the weirdest

1379
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:00,250
stuff possible and the whole idea was

1380
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:02,080
you know engage the strange so we were

1381
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:04,950
gonna just go all at it one of these

1382
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:08,530
episodes that we shot was we wanted to

1383
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:10,690
get abducted by aliens yeah we talked

1384
01:07:14,579 --> 01:07:12,550
about look yeah we talked about that

1385
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:14,589
last time you were on the show mm-hmm

1386
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:16,750
yeah so one of the places that we went

1387
01:07:20,350 --> 01:07:18,830
to was we went to brown Mountain

1388
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,360
North Carolina where people have seen

1389
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:22,160
these strange lights no one can seem to

1390
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:23,930
figure out what causes them there's

1391
01:07:27,790 --> 01:07:25,790
stories of alien abduction there we

1392
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:27,800
thought okay this is our best bet if we

1393
01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:29,810
go here we've got the best chance of

1394
01:07:34,350 --> 01:07:32,600
getting abducted so we went we hung out

1395
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:34,360
with our friend Micah Hanks there and

1396
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:36,410
one of the things that you know he'd

1397
01:07:40,930 --> 01:07:39,650
mentioned there there's a this this

1398
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:40,940
person told me that there's a

1399
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:43,250
underground alien cave base here you

1400
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:44,180
want to go look for it

1401
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:46,130
you know I it was just a fun thing like

1402
01:07:50,830 --> 01:07:48,050
he didn't take it seriously we didn't

1403
01:07:53,650 --> 01:07:50,840
take it seriously and we found this cave

1404
01:07:55,930 --> 01:07:53,660
opening and that was that so we finished

1405
01:07:58,810 --> 01:07:55,940
the rest of our shoot we get back home

1406
01:08:01,200 --> 01:07:58,820
and then an email pops up and it says

1407
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:01,210
why did you stop when you were so close

1408
01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:04,370
one week and it was from a guy who

1409
01:08:11,110 --> 01:08:05,630
called himself Terry

1410
01:08:14,380 --> 01:08:11,120
wrist obviously a play on Terry wrist

1411
01:08:16,420 --> 01:08:14,390
terrorists mm-hmm and I thought well

1412
01:08:19,390 --> 01:08:16,430
okay you know we get weird emails quite

1413
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:19,400
a bit okay fine we'll see what happens

1414
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:21,410
in a week a week later I got another

1415
01:08:27,099 --> 01:08:24,080
email and it said Helier

1416
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:27,109
was just a symptom the door is closed

1417
01:08:32,530 --> 01:08:30,310
the window is open used the numbers and

1418
01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:32,540
there was an attachment and it was a

1419
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:36,020
photograph of a slip of paper that had a

1420
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:39,050
series of numbers written on it we

1421
01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:41,210
thought at first again like we did with

1422
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:43,640
everything we put it on Facebook what is

1423
01:08:48,579 --> 01:08:46,670
this what does this mean there were a

1424
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:48,589
few other little phrases and words on

1425
01:08:51,820 --> 01:08:49,790
there that we couldn't quite figure out

1426
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,830
some symbols but somebody said oh that's

1427
01:08:55,329 --> 01:08:53,839
a credit card number so we took it down

1428
01:08:56,890 --> 01:08:55,339
immediately because we didn't want we

1429
01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:56,900
didn't know what this was for and we

1430
01:09:01,630 --> 01:08:59,330
didn't want you know to accidentally put

1431
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:01,640
someone's banking information online but

1432
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:03,530
it wasn't until a few hours later

1433
01:09:09,849 --> 01:09:06,190
another one of our friends said no no no

1434
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:09,859
that is uh that's a GPS coordinate and

1435
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:12,710
the GPS coordinates went to Brown

1436
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:15,520
Mountain where we had just been recently

1437
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:18,530
that was what scared me the for the

1438
01:09:22,180 --> 01:09:20,270
first time in the case because we had

1439
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:22,190
never told anyone the name of the town

1440
01:09:25,599 --> 01:09:23,930
we've never said the name of the town

1441
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:25,609
anywhere we were very careful about that

1442
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:30,410
and for someone to know where we had

1443
01:09:35,559 --> 01:09:32,630
been on Brown Mountain

1444
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:35,569
was a little disconcerting so that was

1445
01:09:39,849 --> 01:09:36,830
the first time in the case that I felt

1446
01:09:41,769 --> 01:09:39,859
really nervous and the only reference I

1447
01:09:45,610 --> 01:09:41,779
could find to this tarry wrist character

1448
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,620
was in a series of books there were two

1449
01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:48,080
books that came out in the early 90s by

1450
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:52,190
Allan Greenfield pretty obscure by

1451
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,370
normal paranormal standards it was

1452
01:10:01,450 --> 01:09:57,920
basically about how to summon UFOs and

1453
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,460
speak to UFOs using an old code that

1454
01:10:07,810 --> 01:10:04,719
Aleister Crowley had been given by

1455
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:07,820
Aiwass this extraterrestrial

1456
01:10:14,770 --> 01:10:11,690
intelligence in Egypt and it was I mean

1457
01:10:16,270 --> 01:10:14,780
super fringe by by normal standards not

1458
01:10:18,189 --> 01:10:16,280
the type of stuff that I had ever really

1459
01:10:19,899 --> 01:10:18,199
studied or looked into and the only

1460
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:19,909
reference to this guy is in the

1461
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:22,370
appendices of these books where there's

1462
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:24,409
an interview between him and Greenfield

1463
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:27,920
where Terry is using a pseudonym talks

1464
01:10:34,090 --> 01:10:30,320
about going into these underground bases

1465
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:34,100
and cleaning out the aliens in them

1466
01:10:42,129 --> 01:10:37,850
Terry was supposedly according to David

1467
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:42,139
Our Mutual Friend now I have no idea who

1468
01:10:51,390 --> 01:10:46,090
is this and and and Dana at this point

1469
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:51,400
your your feminine spidey sense right

1470
01:10:58,450 --> 01:10:55,760
yeah what was that telling you about

1471
01:11:00,399 --> 01:10:58,460
suddenly people knowing about Helier

1472
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:00,409
people knowing about where you were with

1473
01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:05,360
Micah Hanks you've got cryptography

1474
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:08,540
coming over with with coordinates and of

1475
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:11,409
course these emails going back to 2012

1476
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:13,730
it's it's starting to get a little bit

1477
01:11:20,919 --> 01:11:18,800
creepy what were you thinking I at this

1478
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:20,929
point pretty much every red flag that

1479
01:11:27,729 --> 01:11:24,050
could be flying was flying my instincts

1480
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:27,739
were telling me that the the what we the

1481
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:29,810
situation was changing dramatically and

1482
01:11:35,649 --> 01:11:32,810
like on top of that I'm I am kind of a

1483
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:35,659
chicken and so I yeah I went into like

1484
01:11:41,169 --> 01:11:39,199
full paranoia mode and it's it's so it's

1485
01:11:42,899 --> 01:11:41,179
super invasive and in that moment that's

1486
01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:42,909
really what it felt like it felt like

1487
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:46,280
someone was just letting us know how

1488
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:48,590
easy it was for them to kind of know

1489
01:11:53,020 --> 01:11:51,050
what we were doing or it felt kind of

1490
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:53,030
sinister hide of sinister kind of vibe

1491
01:11:57,250 --> 01:11:54,770
to it yeah yeah it was really scary

1492
01:11:58,569 --> 01:11:57,260
certainly because you guys know what

1493
01:12:00,490 --> 01:11:58,579
you're doing

1494
01:12:02,109 --> 01:12:00,500
you know private leads your personal

1495
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:02,119
life and you guys are together and

1496
01:12:08,260 --> 01:12:04,840
you're discussing these but suddenly

1497
01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:08,270
other people know too as well and you're

1498
01:12:13,569 --> 01:12:10,940
not discussing this and that's got to

1499
01:12:17,620 --> 01:12:13,579
throw up the red flags and it only gets

1500
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:17,630
crazier doesn't it I mean yeah at this

1501
01:12:23,859 --> 01:12:21,199
point looking back to that moment home

1502
01:12:25,930 --> 01:12:23,869
and how terrified I was at that moment I

1503
01:12:30,899 --> 01:12:25,940
would love to go back and talk to myself

1504
01:12:34,779 --> 01:12:30,909
and be like strapped in the beginning

1505
01:12:38,649 --> 01:12:34,789
totally totally now what happens next

1506
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:38,659
because at this point you now have the

1507
01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:41,840
town you've got David Christie you've

1508
01:12:47,589 --> 01:12:45,260
been contacted by Terry wrist

1509
01:12:50,379 --> 01:12:47,599
you've probably reached out to have

1510
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:50,389
Allen a green field at this point too as

1511
01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:53,449
well I'm assuming and you're starting to

1512
01:12:58,180 --> 01:12:55,460
put the pieces together but you've got

1513
01:12:59,799 --> 01:12:58,190
to start to plot and and figure out what

1514
01:13:05,260 --> 01:12:59,809
what you're going to do what happens

1515
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,270
next so what we ended up doing was again

1516
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,520
one of these weird synchronicities we

1517
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:09,920
ended up moving to Cincinnati I mean one

1518
01:13:12,459 --> 01:13:10,730
of the problems that we had

1519
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:12,469
investigating the case was that we lived

1520
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:14,300
in Canada and I was going through

1521
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:17,510
immigration well we got offered out of

1522
01:13:21,339 --> 01:13:18,230
the blue

1523
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:21,349
crazy great jobs working for a tech

1524
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:23,420
startup here in Cincinnati and it was

1525
01:13:32,169 --> 01:13:26,150
just too good to say no to so we ended

1526
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:32,179
up moving to Cincinnati in 2013 and we

1527
01:13:38,140 --> 01:13:34,489
had a weekend we'd finally gotten a set

1528
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:38,150
of wheels and I looked at Dana this was

1529
01:13:44,529 --> 01:13:40,760
probably what 2015 at this point yeah

1530
01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:44,539
mm-hmm I said you know what that weird

1531
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:47,900
case with that guy David that's only a

1532
01:13:52,930 --> 01:13:49,610
few hours from here it's like four hours

1533
01:13:55,029 --> 01:13:52,940
we could go out on a weekend and just

1534
01:13:56,740 --> 01:13:55,039
spend a day and let's just poke around

1535
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:56,750
the town let's see if this was something

1536
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:58,170
that

1537
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:00,540
actually could have happened you know we

1538
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:02,730
we were the whole time it always

1539
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:04,950
bothered us like if somebody was pulling

1540
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:07,320
our leg that was a lot of effort to put

1541
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:11,810
into it so we drove out one weekend and

1542
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:15,330
as soon as we got into Helier we said oh

1543
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,140
my god

1544
01:14:22,580 --> 01:14:18,480
this could have actually happened here

1545
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:22,590
we post it up at the local gas station

1546
01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:24,750
which also served as the post office and

1547
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:27,350
the pizza shop and the grocery store and

1548
01:14:32,690 --> 01:14:30,690
we any good paranormal research will

1549
01:14:33,980 --> 01:14:32,700
tell you find the town hub and then just

1550
01:14:36,650 --> 01:14:33,990
start asking questions and that's

1551
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:36,660
exactly what we did I took photographs

1552
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:40,110
of the prints I took any information I

1553
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:42,180
had on the case in a folder and I just

1554
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:43,440
started talking to people and shown

1555
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:46,140
people and no one had seen anything

1556
01:14:50,330 --> 01:14:48,570
quite like that people had heard stories

1557
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:50,340
some people had found three-toed

1558
01:14:54,740 --> 01:14:52,110
footprints while they were hunting up in

1559
01:14:58,460 --> 01:14:54,750
the woods up by where there was a series

1560
01:15:00,200 --> 01:14:58,470
of caves everyone was very friendly they

1561
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,210
were willing to help they had scenes

1562
01:15:04,670 --> 01:15:02,400
they people had tons of Bigfoot stories

1563
01:15:07,220 --> 01:15:04,680
tons of paranormal stories and at one

1564
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:07,230
point there were maybe two dozen people

1565
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,690
had come down to the gas station because

1566
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:10,800
they'd heard that someone was there

1567
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:12,360
talking about oh you were the biggest

1568
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:18,990
thing in that town in a long time right

1569
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:22,050
now there's one other thing here that I

1570
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:24,030
want to point out to the audience that

1571
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:27,570
this part of the country is nothing but

1572
01:15:35,810 --> 01:15:31,500
one giant cave system it's it's it's

1573
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:35,820
huge in there when I was a kid I went

1574
01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:38,400
down there with my aunt Carolyn and we

1575
01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:41,160
did the whole thing Cave City Mammoth

1576
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:45,150
Cave National Park and I personally went

1577
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:48,440
into probably a dozen different caves

1578
01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:53,130
massive massive massive caves and and

1579
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:56,520
this system is quite huge and it's part

1580
01:16:02,300 --> 01:15:59,520
of hell year right well that's actually

1581
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:02,310
one of the most fascinating pieces so we

1582
01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:04,620
started you know David never said the

1583
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:06,830
word goblin that was something that we

1584
01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:09,510
came up with because it the the

1585
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:11,150
parallels to what Dave

1586
01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:14,090
was experiencing were so close to the

1587
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,040
Hopkinsville case everything from you

1588
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,080
know the farmhouse that was besieged by

1589
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:20,719
these creatures we we started to think

1590
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:22,250
well what if it was the same type of

1591
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:25,610
thing there were stories people were

1592
01:16:29,610 --> 01:16:27,380
telling us about UFO sightings over this

1593
01:16:31,870 --> 01:16:29,620
town UFOs big as a football field

1594
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:31,880
government men coming to town telling

1595
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:33,890
them don't talk about this you know what

1596
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:35,150
you saw was a satellite

1597
01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:37,190
yada-yada same type of stuff that was

1598
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:38,390
happening in Hopkinsville back in the

1599
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:42,530
50s so we realized the mammoth cave

1600
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:45,920
system runs the length of Kentucky hmm

1601
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:48,290
and even up through the Appalachian it

1602
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:50,510
is the largest cave system in the world

1603
01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:52,670
and is for the most part pretty

1604
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:56,270
unexplored yeah so the idea was what if

1605
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:58,010
there was some kind of a connection with

1606
01:17:02,709 --> 01:16:59,600
caves here these things are coming out

1607
01:17:04,689 --> 01:17:02,719
of caves we found all these cases all up

1608
01:17:06,750 --> 01:17:04,699
and down the Appalachian that talked

1609
01:17:08,939 --> 01:17:06,760
about creatures coming out of caves

1610
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:08,949
particularly creatures that were

1611
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:12,070
tormenting people you know it just

1612
01:17:16,959 --> 01:17:15,409
because of the regional differences you

1613
01:17:17,979 --> 01:17:16,969
know somebody in one part of the

1614
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:17,989
Appalachian was calling them

1615
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,199
Tommyknockers or howl or goblins they

1616
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:22,880
just didn't realize people were

1617
01:17:27,490 --> 01:17:25,250
experiencing this phenomena all through

1618
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:27,500
that cave system because they all given

1619
01:17:30,459 --> 01:17:29,270
them different regional names right so

1620
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,469
that was our first inkling that

1621
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,719
something bigger was going on it wasn't

1622
01:17:37,180 --> 01:17:34,640
just Helier it wasn't just Hopkinsville

1623
01:17:39,550 --> 01:17:37,190
it was something that was massive and

1624
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:39,560
seemed tied to the cave systems and

1625
01:17:45,729 --> 01:17:43,790
there was one one guy from the town I

1626
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:45,739
thought this was really really

1627
01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:49,250
interesting where he said that this

1628
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:54,550
giant spacecraft was above the town all

1629
01:18:02,290 --> 01:17:58,489
day long that thousands of people saw it

1630
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:02,300
and it was in the local paper and and

1631
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:04,250
they just stood out there and watched it

1632
01:18:09,610 --> 01:18:07,520
all day that was pretty interesting that

1633
01:18:13,649 --> 01:18:09,620
was really crazy and one of the things

1634
01:18:16,450 --> 01:18:13,659
that what happened with this was people

1635
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:16,460
came to town they said government people

1636
01:18:20,979 --> 01:18:18,260
came to town after this happened and

1637
01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:20,989
told them no what you saw was a

1638
01:18:25,060 --> 01:18:23,300
satellite it was something I think it

1639
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:25,070
could have been they were

1640
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:27,170
was like a Google project but these

1641
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:29,810
people said the stuff that they showed

1642
01:18:34,510 --> 01:18:32,239
in the news the stuff that they told us

1643
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:34,520
that we saw was not what we saw they

1644
01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:36,170
said listen we know that people think

1645
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:37,820
we're hillbillies out here but I know

1646
01:18:42,339 --> 01:18:40,760
what I saw and it was not a satellite so

1647
01:18:42,939 --> 01:18:42,349
there was something strange going on

1648
01:18:48,270 --> 01:18:42,949
with that

1649
01:18:50,620 --> 01:18:48,280
now did you ask about David Christie oh

1650
01:18:52,180 --> 01:18:50,630
that was the first question have you

1651
01:18:54,939 --> 01:18:52,190
ever heard of a David Christie do you

1652
01:18:56,350 --> 01:18:54,949
know of anybody a doctor in town because

1653
01:18:59,649 --> 01:18:56,360
he was supposed to be a doctor supposed

1654
01:19:01,930 --> 01:18:59,659
to be a dog um nobody had ever heard of

1655
01:19:05,859 --> 01:19:01,940
that name how big he said you know how

1656
01:19:07,870 --> 01:19:05,869
big is Hellyer oh maybe a few miles and

1657
01:19:10,270 --> 01:19:07,880
it's mostly you know just little haulers

1658
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:10,280
all this all the roads and Helier the

1659
01:19:13,629 --> 01:19:11,810
reason they exist is because they used

1660
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,639
to go to mines right that gives you kind

1661
01:19:16,450 --> 01:19:14,960
of an idea of what this place was like

1662
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:16,460
somewheres weren't a ton of people it

1663
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,449
was close-knit yeah well how big are we

1664
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:22,159
talking a few hundred people a few

1665
01:19:28,450 --> 01:19:25,369
thousand how big is Helier I would say a

1666
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:28,460
few hundred to be honest it's really

1667
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,010
really small it's really really isolated

1668
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:33,199
it's not really on the way to anything

1669
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:36,290
so it's just sort of tucked away and

1670
01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:38,270
it's just sort of a small small small

1671
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,219
community of people that have either

1672
01:19:42,970 --> 01:19:41,840
been living there for a long time their

1673
01:19:44,979 --> 01:19:42,980
families have been living there for a

1674
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:44,989
long time but it's really really small a

1675
01:19:49,959 --> 01:19:47,000
couple hundred easily a couple hundred

1676
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:49,969
so everybody knows everybody there's no

1677
01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:52,310
question about it so this this guy David

1678
01:19:55,870 --> 01:19:54,190
Christie if he's a new guy in town

1679
01:19:59,620 --> 01:19:55,880
everybody's going to know who he is

1680
01:20:02,550 --> 01:19:59,630
right that's what I would respect and

1681
01:20:05,979 --> 01:20:02,560
that didn't seem to be the case did it

1682
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,989
no nobody knew this guy you know one of

1683
01:20:08,890 --> 01:20:07,520
the people that we ended up talking to

1684
01:20:10,990 --> 01:20:08,900
was a guy who lived in the town his

1685
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:11,000
entire life he was like in his 80s and

1686
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:12,770
he said I've never heard of a David

1687
01:20:17,260 --> 01:20:14,210
Christie and I don't even know of a

1688
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:17,270
doctor who lives around here so our next

1689
01:20:21,939 --> 01:20:19,489
course of action was to you know ask

1690
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:21,949
about properties and ask about where we

1691
01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:23,690
should go and look for you know a house

1692
01:20:27,310 --> 01:20:25,190
that has this or this or this or

1693
01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:27,320
something my biggest question was is

1694
01:20:30,729 --> 01:20:29,329
there a house around here where there's

1695
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:30,739
a mineshaft on the edge of the property

1696
01:20:34,569 --> 01:20:33,050
and the people laughed at me every why

1697
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:34,579
we're my shadows on the edge of

1698
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:36,130
everybody's property right

1699
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:40,980
right right and so but you apparently

1700
01:20:46,370 --> 01:20:44,770
find the house right where you guys are

1701
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:46,380
driving up the road

1702
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:50,530
we followed the stream we followed one

1703
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:52,360
of the one of the water sources because

1704
01:20:57,570 --> 01:20:55,510
in the photos that David sent us there

1705
01:20:59,250 --> 01:20:57,580
were there was like a stream a creek and

1706
01:21:01,560 --> 01:20:59,260
that was where the footprints were taken

1707
01:21:03,209 --> 01:21:01,570
so we thought okay let's find a water

1708
01:21:04,890 --> 01:21:03,219
source let's follow the biggest stream

1709
01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:04,900
so we started following different

1710
01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:07,960
streams and eventually right as the Sun

1711
01:21:12,419 --> 01:21:09,880
was setting we found a house that

1712
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:12,429
matched the description perfect it's

1713
01:21:15,570 --> 01:21:14,110
still when all this stuff had happened

1714
01:21:17,340 --> 01:21:15,580
to David's family it was around

1715
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,350
Christmas time they were still Christmas

1716
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:19,360
lights up the house looked like it had

1717
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:21,370
been abandoned for three years the lawn

1718
01:21:23,939 --> 01:21:23,110
wasn't moved there was still stuff out

1719
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:23,949
on the porch

1720
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:26,590
it had the porch light it had the the

1721
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:30,250
the shed in the background and it was

1722
01:21:34,919 --> 01:21:33,130
right next to a mine so we thought holy

1723
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,929
crap this is the place because there

1724
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,400
were a lot of different places but

1725
01:21:40,919 --> 01:21:39,040
nothing fit the bill like this and it

1726
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:40,929
was so exciting because it looked

1727
01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:44,530
perfect so we we made note of where this

1728
01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:47,860
was and because the Sun was setting and

1729
01:21:50,939 --> 01:21:49,270
because it was only a day trip we said

1730
01:21:52,860 --> 01:21:50,949
okay we're gonna come back and we're

1731
01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:52,870
gonna do some more digging on this place

1732
01:21:57,419 --> 01:21:55,060
so when that's where we had left it

1733
01:22:01,050 --> 01:21:57,429
that's right what happens next and also

1734
01:22:03,810 --> 01:22:01,060
I want everybody to watch the series of

1735
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:03,820
course but there was a comment that you

1736
01:22:07,169 --> 01:22:05,920
made I don't know if it is you or Dana

1737
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:07,179
and when we were out in front of the

1738
01:22:14,459 --> 01:22:11,170
house where apparently it looked like it

1739
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,469
was abandoned rather quickly there were

1740
01:22:19,649 --> 01:22:16,960
stones I mean right absolutely yeah

1741
01:22:22,379 --> 01:22:19,659
there were there was still the way the

1742
01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:22,389
house looked it looked as if someone had

1743
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:24,040
packed up in the middle of the night and

1744
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:26,260
left and like Greg said you know there

1745
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:28,690
were still Christmas lights hanging on

1746
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:30,370
on exercise equipment

1747
01:22:35,129 --> 01:22:33,130
yeah like it's it looked as if somebody

1748
01:22:37,169 --> 01:22:35,139
grabbed their clothes and their

1749
01:22:39,629 --> 01:22:37,179
valuables and left everything else and

1750
01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:39,639
just completely abandon it do you think

1751
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:44,980
it's possible that David Christie did

1752
01:22:47,610 --> 01:22:46,510
live there he lived there for seven

1753
01:22:50,670 --> 01:22:47,620
months

1754
01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:50,680
and that he could have gone unnoticed in

1755
01:22:55,740 --> 01:22:52,270
the town that maybe he wasn't a doctor

1756
01:22:59,130 --> 01:22:55,750
for the town and then left and nobody

1757
01:23:02,040 --> 01:22:59,140
remembered him being there or that they

1758
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:02,050
didn't want to talk about David Christie

1759
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:05,880
and and what happened and why he left I

1760
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:10,270
think either one of those is fair people

1761
01:23:15,060 --> 01:23:13,270
in these types of places you you

1762
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:15,070
typically move to a place like this if

1763
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:16,570
you're not from there because if you're

1764
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:18,250
from there you generally stay there

1765
01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:20,860
places like that and if you move there

1766
01:23:24,780 --> 01:23:22,420
you're moving there because you want to

1767
01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:24,790
avoid people it became pretty apparent

1768
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:28,720
to us the more we we dug into this that

1769
01:23:35,370 --> 01:23:32,530
if David Christie was a real person that

1770
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:35,380
was not his real name we don't think

1771
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:37,270
that was his real name could he have

1772
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:40,150
been a doctor yeah maybe but when we

1773
01:23:44,190 --> 01:23:42,310
would ask around everyone seemed to

1774
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:44,200
think it would be ridiculous that anyone

1775
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:46,090
who was a doctor would intentionally

1776
01:23:51,810 --> 01:23:48,910
move to Helier so I think it's it's a

1777
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:51,820
toss-up there between people not just

1778
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:53,170
not wanting to talk about this and

1779
01:23:59,250 --> 01:23:56,260
between somebody going there to

1780
01:24:02,040 --> 01:23:59,260
specifically be off the radar pretty

1781
01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:02,050
creepy set up to this story and this is

1782
01:24:06,810 --> 01:24:04,200
just the beginning

1783
01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:06,820
so you head back to Cincinnati we're

1784
01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:08,350
gonna head towards a break so we'll set

1785
01:24:12,810 --> 01:24:11,200
up for when we come back you go back to

1786
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:12,820
Cincinnati and regroup do you

1787
01:24:18,930 --> 01:24:14,530
immediately pick up the phone and call

1788
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:18,940
Karl no it was it was Karl I mean our

1789
01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:21,520
lives had gotten it was like a month or

1790
01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:22,780
two after this that we were actually

1791
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:24,760
invited to shoot an episode of Finding

1792
01:24:28,650 --> 01:24:26,890
Bigfoot and then everything just

1793
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:28,660
spiraled out of control we were doing

1794
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:30,970
different guest spots we had started the

1795
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:32,830
museum we were on tour at the Museum we

1796
01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:35,230
just didn't have time to go back right

1797
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:38,020
away it was actually Karl who because of

1798
01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:40,720
his synchronicity reached out and and

1799
01:24:46,620 --> 01:24:43,990
basically forced us to do this he he

1800
01:24:49,230 --> 01:24:46,630
really really made a play for it and

1801
01:24:50,910 --> 01:24:49,240
said there's something's telling me we

1802
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:50,920
need to do this it's calling me we have

1803
01:25:00,060 --> 01:24:56,890
to go that's why we went back and with

1804
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:00,070
Karl and he's in Colorado right yeah

1805
01:25:04,350 --> 01:25:01,170
he's up in love

1806
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:04,360
Colorado you're in Cincinnati it was

1807
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:07,210
their logistics planned or at this point

1808
01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:09,220
because it feels like to me

1809
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,860
in the documentary give me the inside of

1810
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:13,840
this it seems like in the documentary

1811
01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:16,390
you guys are now reacting to those

1812
01:25:20,780 --> 01:25:17,980
synchronicities you guys didn't really

1813
01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:20,790
have a chance to to like sit down

1814
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:24,790
schedule Excel spreadsheet budget you

1815
01:25:30,930 --> 01:25:27,790
know and do do something real and plan

1816
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:30,940
you guys are now you guys are reacting

1817
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:34,270
to the situation on the fly we didn't

1818
01:25:37,890 --> 01:25:36,010
know what the project was going to be

1819
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,900
you know we we've been friends with Karl

1820
01:25:42,270 --> 01:25:39,760
for awhile and and he's a fantastic

1821
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:42,280
researcher he was one of the resident

1822
01:25:45,690 --> 01:25:44,050
investigators at the Stanley Hotel which

1823
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:45,700
is just the coolest job ever you just

1824
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:48,310
ghost hunt for a living and so we knew

1825
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,030
we wanted to do something together but

1826
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:54,400
when Karl settled on this it was really

1827
01:25:58,770 --> 01:25:55,690
just a matter of weeks when it was like

1828
01:26:00,570 --> 01:25:58,780
okay we we don't have anything going on

1829
01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:00,580
with the museum we have no exhibitions

1830
01:26:04,410 --> 01:26:02,080
for the next like two or three weeks

1831
01:26:05,970 --> 01:26:04,420
this is our window if we're gonna do it

1832
01:26:09,090 --> 01:26:05,980
we're gonna do it then and so Karl

1833
01:26:11,670 --> 01:26:09,100
grabbed his friend Connor and his friend

1834
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:11,680
Rashad and they drove out and it was

1835
01:26:16,650 --> 01:26:14,770
literally that we they came out I

1836
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:16,660
slapped down the file folder they were

1837
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,210
the first person outside of Dana and I

1838
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:21,520
to see the original files unredacted

1839
01:26:25,770 --> 01:26:24,070
with everything and we just said let's

1840
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:25,780
go for it let's get in the car and go

1841
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:29,250
now that's how it started at this point

1842
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:34,090
you know Connor and Rashad and Carl

1843
01:26:41,730 --> 01:26:37,810
arrived in town any contact with Terry

1844
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:41,740
Terry wrist or or David or even Allan

1845
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:45,010
greenfield at this point nothing I mean

1846
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:47,410
I had emailed back and forth with Allan

1847
01:26:52,590 --> 01:26:49,210
for his thoughts on the case quite a bit

1848
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:52,600
when the original emails had come in and

1849
01:26:58,440 --> 01:26:55,600
a few times over the years but nothing

1850
01:27:00,810 --> 01:26:58,450
there was there was no we had not

1851
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:00,820
broadcasted that we were doing this we

1852
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:02,470
didn't tell anyone we what we were doing

1853
01:27:09,090 --> 01:27:05,290
or where we were going it really did

1854
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,100
happen pretty much on the fly and the

1855
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:11,920
only impetus of doing it was Karl Karl

1856
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,930
was just dead set and said we're

1857
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,520
supposed to do this we're supposed to do

1858
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:17,920
this that's it okay let's take a break

1859
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:20,290
right here this is fade to black I'm you

1860
01:27:24,750 --> 01:27:22,570
know Jimmy Church tonight our guest Greg

1861
01:27:26,730 --> 01:27:24,760
and Dana Newkirk we're talking about

1862
01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:26,740
their new docu-series that's directed by

1863
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,260
Carl Piper and it's called Hellyer it's

1864
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:31,360
on Amazon we'll be right back after this

1865
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:31,930
short break

1866
01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:40,470
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1867
01:27:57,820 --> 01:27:53,520
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1868
01:27:59,860 --> 01:27:57,830
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1869
01:28:02,680 --> 01:27:59,870
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1870
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1871
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welcome back fade to black I'm here

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Jimmy Church and our guest tonight Greg

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and Dana and Newkirk and we're

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discussing their new docu-series that

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was directed by called Pfeifer it is

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called Helier it's on Amazon easy to

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find and also Hellyer dot TV and it is

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streaming there now I want to go to the

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first meeting that you had with the crew

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with Carl Colin and Rashad as you start

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to disclose the evidence and for the

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audience I want you to describe the

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creature because the creature well I

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want you to describe it because it kind

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of fits the alien greys but then again

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it doesn't so let's start with the face

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in the eyes the way that it was

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described by David was it was actually

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his children saw it first

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I think it was his daughter that's

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described them as the the naked kids who

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were bald like grandpa and they had a

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round head with these he described the

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eyes as black and oily and there weren't

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the the ears there wasn't much of a

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mouth or nose it sounded like a typical

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gray but as he continued to describe the

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rest of them they only stood about three

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four feet tall and they totally totally

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nude and they hopped when they moved so

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they didn't walk like a person they

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hopped and the creepiest detail to me is

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the way that they chattered to one

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another

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he said they sounded like skunks which

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is a really specific noise if you've

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never heard a skunk before I don't think

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most people have if you've never heard a

2006
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skunk before just look it up Google

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skunk noises and it's it's chilling

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because it's

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creepy because I can see it in my head

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and he seemed to think they were afraid

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of the light yeah almost like chirping

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or squeaking like like chirping yeah

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like a chirping chattering type of noise

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now and and also the nose or the lack of

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yeah no nose no real facial features

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other than the eyes and just kind of the

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the small mouth Dana what were you

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thinking I you know because the

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description is obviously we get I keep

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using the word creepy but that's exactly

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what's going on here and I thought that

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the eyes were kind of cat like et ish

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but but also just a little bit different

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yeah I mean the that description to me

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sounds like a typical gray it sounds

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like you have you know large eyes you

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have that sort of same shaped head

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they're they're relatively smaller but

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it's those little details like the

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hopping and the the chattering sounds

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that kind of set it apart a little bit

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from what we traditionally would think

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of when we think of kind of gray aliens

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and so it it was a bit you know sort of

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again much like with everything in

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Hellyer you you have what you think is

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the reality and then you know there are

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all of these little details that kind of

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set it apart so for me the description

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really does sound very much like a gray

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but there are all of these little tiny

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details that kind of surround it that

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really set it apart from what we already

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know or what we would we know about

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grace and what a great name for a town

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01:37:13,709 --> 01:37:11,409
for a documentary like this it's so

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spooky I mean it's it's just like too

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perfect okay so now you guys sit down

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with the team and you're starting to

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show them the details which also

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includes the photographs and and the

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letters and emails

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what was their take what was their

2054
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reaction I think it was interesting

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because again we had not shared the

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unredacted files we had posted stuff

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online but we'd never posted the name of

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the town we'd never posted day

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it's real name so immediately you know I

2060
01:37:48,450 --> 01:37:47,230
I remember Carl looking at it and being

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like oh wow

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01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,190
this is where we're going this is it it

2063
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had been a mystery to so many people for

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so long and we had held these things so

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close to the chest because you know for

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people who don't operate in in the

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paranormal I'm sure it's this way in

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lots of other industries but you know

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01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:09,190
details and information is currency in

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this community and if we had let that

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slip I'm very certain that it would have

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ended up on you know two or three

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low-budget paranormal television shows

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at some point somebody would have beat

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us to the punch and if we had if we had

2076
01:38:27,810 --> 01:38:26,440
given those details up we wouldn't be

2077
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able to investigate the case without it

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01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:30,100
being tainted because somebody could go

2079
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:32,230
somebody could set something up somebody

2080
01:38:39,060 --> 01:38:35,110
could pose as as as David Christie even

2081
01:38:41,939 --> 01:38:39,070
now it was it didn't take a week until

2082
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:41,949
Helier had been released that somebody

2083
01:38:46,050 --> 01:38:44,080
made a fake David Christie Facebook

2084
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:46,060
profile so that type of thing is what

2085
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:47,530
you have to be really careful about so I

2086
01:38:53,250 --> 01:38:50,650
I think at that moment we watched Karl

2087
01:38:55,890 --> 01:38:53,260
and Conor have this moment where they

2088
01:38:58,939 --> 01:38:55,900
realized okay this is serious we're

2089
01:39:01,890 --> 01:38:58,949
really going to go do this and Conor

2090
01:39:05,310 --> 01:39:01,900
we're gonna discuss this in just a bit

2091
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:05,320
but Conor has got some pretty unique

2092
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:08,500
abilities to himself a pretty pretty

2093
01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:10,330
interesting guy right tell us about

2094
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:10,900
Conor

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01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:18,400
sweet pure person I've ever met in my

2096
01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:20,050
entire life to the point where I almost

2097
01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:21,790
feel bad hanging out with him because I

2098
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:24,670
don't want to corrupt him Conor is a

2099
01:39:31,110 --> 01:39:27,310
really cool dude he's uh he's had two

2100
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:31,120
heart transplants and he'll balk if he's

2101
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,800
listening to this I'm sure he's gonna

2102
01:39:36,209 --> 01:39:34,239
balk at me saying this but I think

2103
01:39:38,939 --> 01:39:36,219
Conor's a psychic he's guessed

2104
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:38,949
oh no he's gifted he's got the gift he's

2105
01:39:44,430 --> 01:39:41,590
got the gift yeah and I think you know

2106
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:44,440
when you think about it I mean he is

2107
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:46,690
he's on a second heart transplant he

2108
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,850
really is one one foot in this world and

2109
01:39:54,060 --> 01:39:50,080
one foot in another

2110
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:54,070
no doubt I think that he he's just a

2111
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,480
super solid dude who is part of the

2112
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:00,400
reason I think that something that I'm

2113
01:40:05,940 --> 01:40:02,650
sure we'll talk about soon the estus

2114
01:40:08,820 --> 01:40:05,950
method why that works so well I think is

2115
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:08,830
because Connor is gifted the way he is

2116
01:40:15,390 --> 01:40:10,930
yeah that's my opinion I'm sure he would

2117
01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:15,400
say something different you do in the

2118
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:18,910
show you do a couple of different

2119
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:20,890
techniques one of them is the estus

2120
01:40:26,580 --> 01:40:22,570
method and the other one with the

2121
01:40:31,170 --> 01:40:26,590
ping-pong balls that one is the ganzfeld

2122
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:31,180
method which was very interesting to see

2123
01:40:38,490 --> 01:40:34,690
both of these get get practice and and

2124
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:38,500
yours was pretty creepy we're not going

2125
01:40:42,630 --> 01:40:40,150
to get into that I want to save that for

2126
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:42,640
the audience they can go and and and

2127
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:46,450
watch the series but with Connor okay

2128
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:48,910
okay well we'll get back to Connor in

2129
01:40:53,010 --> 01:40:51,250
just a second so at this point were

2130
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:53,020
there any other synchronicities before

2131
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:56,710
you guys hop in the car I I think at

2132
01:41:00,330 --> 01:40:58,570
this point we we didn't even know that

2133
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:00,340
it was the synchronicity is that we were

2134
01:41:04,770 --> 01:41:03,010
looking for so there may have been but

2135
01:41:06,210 --> 01:41:04,780
it was really more of a matter of we

2136
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,220
were excited to get in the car and

2137
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:08,800
actually go it wasn't really until we

2138
01:41:13,110 --> 01:41:11,530
were in the car that the synchronicities

2139
01:41:15,390 --> 01:41:13,120
really started to kick up and we

2140
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:15,400
realized something else was going on so

2141
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:19,090
what happens yeah what happens next we

2142
01:41:26,430 --> 01:41:24,130
are Marya ly interesting part Carl and

2143
01:41:29,490 --> 01:41:26,440
Connor and Rashad we're listening to an

2144
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:29,500
audiobook of the Mothman Prophecies on

2145
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:32,050
their way out from Colorado mr.

2146
01:41:39,930 --> 01:41:34,090
something to listen to kind of get them

2147
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:39,940
in the mood you know right a mistake yes

2148
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:43,840
okay and as we are on our way to hell

2149
01:41:48,030 --> 01:41:45,610
yer Carl

2150
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:48,040
Connors driving Carl is flipping through

2151
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:50,560
a secret cipher of the UFO knots which

2152
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:52,450
is this book that had the reference to

2153
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:54,970
Terry wrist in it he's flipping through

2154
01:42:00,180 --> 01:41:57,970
the interview and one of the things that

2155
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:00,190
they mention to run through the cipher

2156
01:42:06,490 --> 01:42:04,010
is the the phrase inked in black

2157
01:42:09,310 --> 01:42:06,500
it was then that he he put two and two

2158
01:42:12,580 --> 01:42:09,320
together and realized that relates to

2159
01:42:14,260 --> 01:42:12,590
Indrid cold who was such a big figure

2160
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:14,270
when it comes to the Mothman Prophecies

2161
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:17,690
and Point Pleasant and you know did that

2162
01:42:23,110 --> 01:42:20,330
that whole investigation and so

2163
01:42:25,090 --> 01:42:23,120
immediately then it's like oh wow we've

2164
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:25,100
listened to this on the way it was like

2165
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:27,530
we were being prepared to find out this

2166
01:42:32,650 --> 01:42:29,330
piece of information that no one had put

2167
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:32,660
two and two together and all of a sudden

2168
01:42:37,780 --> 01:42:34,970
the case is so much bigger because in

2169
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:37,790
somehow involves Indrid cold who Terry

2170
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,400
wrist claimed in the interview he had

2171
01:42:45,340 --> 01:42:43,040
used the cipher to find out where Indrid

2172
01:42:47,770 --> 01:42:45,350
cold was and met him and talked to him

2173
01:42:49,210 --> 01:42:47,780
so now it has a connection to keel it

2174
01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:49,220
has a connection to the Mothman

2175
01:42:55,300 --> 01:42:52,310
Prophecies case which really was what

2176
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:55,310
launched all the high strangeness on our

2177
01:43:02,860 --> 01:42:58,250
way into Helier keep going because this

2178
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:02,870
is really really really cool and before

2179
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:04,520
you guys get to hell you you guys are

2180
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:06,830
having this conversation in the car and

2181
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:09,410
things are starting to unfold what

2182
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:13,970
happens next before you get to town Karl

2183
01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:18,770
informs us that Indrid cold is now

2184
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:21,710
somehow tangibly related to this case

2185
01:43:29,620 --> 01:43:26,450
which blows our minds we're all stunned

2186
01:43:31,390 --> 01:43:29,630
by this because it's now it doesn't seem

2187
01:43:34,090 --> 01:43:31,400
like it's just this little contained

2188
01:43:37,330 --> 01:43:34,100
thing I mean we'd had these ideas and so

2189
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:37,340
as we're talking about all of this we

2190
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:39,890
realize that maybe we should start

2191
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,850
paying attention to these

2192
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:43,070
synchronicities because the only real

2193
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:44,810
reason that anyone knew that this had

2194
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:46,010
anything to do anything is because they

2195
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:47,600
had started to listen to the Mothman

2196
01:43:52,990 --> 01:43:50,960
Prophecies on the way and so the first

2197
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:53,000
thing we did when we get to town is we

2198
01:43:58,479 --> 01:43:55,280
pull out all of the file folders and we

2199
01:44:02,860 --> 01:43:58,489
start going over this and we realize we

2200
01:44:04,690 --> 01:44:02,870
probably didn't pack in enough time to

2201
01:44:11,290 --> 01:44:04,700
do everything we were going to want to

2202
01:44:13,660 --> 01:44:11,300
do on this investigation the I'm not

2203
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:13,670
going to give away any spoilers here but

2204
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:17,449
the John keel part of this too

2205
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:21,290
is an intriguing one and when you get to

2206
01:44:29,020 --> 01:44:25,090
Episode five as things are resolving

2207
01:44:31,930 --> 01:44:29,030
where that John keel synchronicity right

2208
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:31,940
happens a counter picks up a book you

2209
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:33,770
guys are at your apartment I don't know

2210
01:44:38,830 --> 01:44:36,620
spoilers here but he just happens to you

2211
01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:38,840
know it's a book of John keel stories

2212
01:44:48,850 --> 01:44:43,100
and whatever and and there it is in like

2213
01:44:50,919 --> 01:44:48,860
two sentences the last what happens to

2214
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:50,929
you at the end and that was that was

2215
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:54,080
pretty trippy where in that and I want

2216
01:45:00,000 --> 01:44:55,730
to get back to you guys arriving in

2217
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:00,010
Hellyer but that in of itself is so

2218
01:45:06,910 --> 01:45:04,850
bleeping specific no spoilers but it's

2219
01:45:10,990 --> 01:45:06,920
so specific where you just got to step

2220
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:11,000
back and go wait a minute here you know

2221
01:45:19,660 --> 01:45:17,110
that summed up the case totally 100%

2222
01:45:21,850 --> 01:45:19,670
synchronicities man as synchronicities

2223
01:45:25,660 --> 01:45:21,860
you just don't ignore them okay let's go

2224
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:25,670
back you guys pull into town and before

2225
01:45:30,669 --> 01:45:28,310
the break we're gonna get to Connor and

2226
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:30,679
what happens with him on the front porch

2227
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:34,880
but you guys pulled into town yes we

2228
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:37,760
pull into town and we basically try to

2229
01:45:43,060 --> 01:45:40,910
recreate the same situation that we did

2230
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:43,070
last time so we go to the same gas

2231
01:45:47,979 --> 01:45:45,110
station we you know kind of park out

2232
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:47,989
front and and look friendly you know and

2233
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:49,850
to sort of try not to be super weird

2234
01:45:57,729 --> 01:45:52,449
talking to people about aliens and

2235
01:46:00,490 --> 01:45:57,739
potential goblins and we have oddly

2236
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:00,500
different experience than we did the

2237
01:46:04,180 --> 01:46:02,210
first time the first time we were there

2238
01:46:05,740 --> 01:46:04,190
people were really excited to talk to us

2239
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:05,750
they had stories that they wanted to

2240
01:46:08,620 --> 01:46:06,170
tell us

2241
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:08,630
and it took a little bit of prodding and

2242
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:10,850
poking when we originally are when we

2243
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:13,070
got there because a lot of people just

2244
01:46:18,010 --> 01:46:16,370
sort of you know I think I think it was

2245
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:18,020
partially the fact that we had cameras

2246
01:46:20,860 --> 01:46:19,760
with us and maybe we were a bigger group

2247
01:46:22,990 --> 01:46:20,870
of people and they were kind of

2248
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:23,000
suspicious about who we were but there

2249
01:46:27,939 --> 01:46:25,250
weren't a lot of people the first night

2250
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:27,949
who were really willing to tell us if

2251
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:29,600
they were even having strange things

2252
01:46:31,390 --> 01:46:31,070
happening on their property

2253
01:46:35,620 --> 01:46:31,400
the

2254
01:46:38,530 --> 01:46:35,630
one thing that we we did get was a

2255
01:46:42,250 --> 01:46:38,540
warning from someone oh yeah telling us

2256
01:46:45,220 --> 01:46:42,260
careful and not to kind of go off into

2257
01:46:47,860 --> 01:46:45,230
mines with people and to you know be

2258
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:47,870
aware of our you you know where we were

2259
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:50,239
follow if anyone tells you what what

2260
01:46:53,410 --> 01:46:51,890
that they they have the answer to

2261
01:46:55,090 --> 01:46:53,420
something don't follow follow follow

2262
01:46:57,399 --> 01:46:55,100
them out in the woods yeah watch

2263
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:57,409
yourselves which was super scary yeah

2264
01:47:02,439 --> 01:46:59,360
and I mean again the first time we had

2265
01:47:04,899 --> 01:47:02,449
been to town everyone was really happy

2266
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,909
to talk to us everyone was super excited

2267
01:47:08,620 --> 01:47:06,320
about sharing their stories and then the

2268
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:08,630
second time we have people telling us to

2269
01:47:14,110 --> 01:47:10,730
be careful and we were kind of getting

2270
01:47:16,990 --> 01:47:14,120
you know the the evil eye from people

2271
01:47:19,149 --> 01:47:17,000
and and it doesn't feel super super fun

2272
01:47:20,979 --> 01:47:19,159
it feels kind of scary and it felt a

2273
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:20,989
little bit hostile that very first night

2274
01:47:24,399 --> 01:47:22,489
kind of standing out there trying to get

2275
01:47:28,090 --> 01:47:24,409
people to talk to us and and with

2276
01:47:30,490 --> 01:47:28,100
Hellyer this is where i started to freak

2277
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:30,500
out a little bit in that look I've seen

2278
01:47:38,350 --> 01:47:34,159
the movie deliverance right and I say

2279
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:38,360
that a little bit in jest but one thing

2280
01:47:46,270 --> 01:47:43,130
is for sure is is Hellyer is isolated

2281
01:47:48,970 --> 01:47:46,280
it's by itself and you guys are up there

2282
01:47:51,250 --> 01:47:48,980
you're a long ways from help and if

2283
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:51,260
anything stupid or freaky or anything

2284
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:54,710
jumps off you guys are on your own right

2285
01:48:00,959 --> 01:47:57,920
and and you are truly the Outsiders in

2286
01:48:05,380 --> 01:48:00,969
this town coming into their bubble of

2287
01:48:08,740 --> 01:48:05,390
you know safeness this is you are you

2288
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:08,750
are in their world now exactly that was

2289
01:48:14,140 --> 01:48:11,570
very apparent that first night back we

2290
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:14,150
we were all kind of looking at each

2291
01:48:20,380 --> 01:48:17,330
other and really feeling how isolated we

2292
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:20,390
were we were feeling how out of place we

2293
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:24,170
were and it was it it was intimidating I

2294
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:28,370
mean it is a small town and it is you

2295
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:29,690
know in the middle of nowhere and

2296
01:48:35,890 --> 01:48:32,570
everyone does know each other and they

2297
01:48:37,689 --> 01:48:35,900
really do kind of look suspicious at you

2298
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,699
if they don't know who you are and and

2299
01:48:44,060 --> 01:48:40,000
you know when you're that far away from

2300
01:48:45,620 --> 01:48:44,070
civilization it can it can be incredibly

2301
01:48:49,250 --> 01:48:45,630
terminating and we definitely did not

2302
01:48:52,399 --> 01:48:49,260
look like we know from the air yeah

2303
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:52,409
totally totally totally and and and

2304
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:54,090
that's it and you have to respect those

2305
01:48:59,689 --> 01:48:57,570
boundaries because they are around each

2306
01:49:01,100 --> 01:48:59,699
other all day long they know everybody

2307
01:49:03,260 --> 01:49:01,110
there and their personality know

2308
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:03,270
everybody's life they know everything

2309
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:04,110
about everything

2310
01:49:10,010 --> 01:49:07,110
you guys are disruptors that's you know

2311
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:10,020
that's that's the way that that you know

2312
01:49:16,669 --> 01:49:14,610
you you are there they're there their

2313
01:49:20,930 --> 01:49:16,679
way of life their daily thing you guys

2314
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:20,940
are now what's the word that I want to

2315
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:22,980
you know there's a consistency that goes

2316
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:24,840
on their day to day you guys show Wow oh

2317
01:49:29,569 --> 01:49:27,690
yeah and that changes for them so well

2318
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:29,579
and one of the things that we we didn't

2319
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:31,170
really even think about this too much

2320
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:33,690
until Helier had come out because we've

2321
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:36,210
heard a lot from the locals who have

2322
01:49:42,379 --> 01:49:39,690
even more stories to tell one of the

2323
01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:42,389
things that you know they've bent these

2324
01:49:48,620 --> 01:49:45,510
types of places are exploited quite

2325
01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:48,630
often people go to these towns and they

2326
01:49:55,399 --> 01:49:52,199
they reiterate this stereotype of the

2327
01:49:57,260 --> 01:49:55,409
dumb hillbilly in their media and these

2328
01:49:58,760 --> 01:49:57,270
people are very cautious of it because

2329
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:58,770
these types of people have gone through

2330
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,420
this before and like I mentioned earlier

2331
01:50:04,129 --> 01:50:02,639
a lot of them go and they live there and

2332
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:04,139
they stay there because they are left

2333
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:06,210
alone because no one's gonna bother them

2334
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:09,480
so this group of city slicker kids you

2335
01:50:12,620 --> 01:50:11,040
know come into town and start asking

2336
01:50:14,419 --> 01:50:12,630
some questions and pointing cameras at

2337
01:50:16,580 --> 01:50:14,429
them and immediately they're gonna be

2338
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:16,590
suspicious so we had that really that

2339
01:50:24,490 --> 01:50:18,420
was stacked against us from the get-go

2340
01:50:27,140 --> 01:50:24,500
now two things happen next I believe

2341
01:50:29,060 --> 01:50:27,150
they're an order it's all running

2342
01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:29,070
together for me now but of course it

2343
01:50:36,379 --> 01:50:32,820
it's Connor with the st's test was that

2344
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,389
on the first night I think it was the

2345
01:50:41,169 --> 01:50:38,400
first night that we went to the cabin

2346
01:50:44,780 --> 01:50:41,179
that's right cabin in the area right and

2347
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:44,790
we felt kind of you know Dana did a

2348
01:50:49,370 --> 01:50:47,489
little ritual because we thought okay

2349
01:50:51,169 --> 01:50:49,380
you know we felt like we'd hit a brick

2350
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:51,179
wall there were there were things here

2351
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:53,610
and there somebody had told us that you

2352
01:50:57,410 --> 01:50:55,170
know their son had found a three-toed

2353
01:50:59,360 --> 01:50:57,420
footprint they wanted to show us it

2354
01:51:01,520 --> 01:50:59,370
but for that day we were just kind of

2355
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:01,530
tapped out so we went back to the cabin

2356
01:51:06,260 --> 01:51:03,930
and we regrouped and we started to think

2357
01:51:07,820 --> 01:51:06,270
about theories and and what this could

2358
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:07,830
be what was the next step where do we go

2359
01:51:11,390 --> 01:51:08,880
do we go to the town hall tomorrow

2360
01:51:14,450 --> 01:51:11,400
whatever and as we're sitting there we

2361
01:51:18,110 --> 01:51:14,460
just got this idea we're we're we're on

2362
01:51:20,510 --> 01:51:18,120
the mountain we're in this area we're in

2363
01:51:23,180 --> 01:51:20,520
the middle of nowhere in this cabin why

2364
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:23,190
don't we just go outside and we'll just

2365
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:25,170
make our presence known because we're

2366
01:51:29,090 --> 01:51:28,260
coming at this from people who are from

2367
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:29,100
a ghost

2368
01:51:32,990 --> 01:51:31,080
ghosty background we've investigated

2369
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:33,000
poltergeist so you know we have a Museum

2370
01:51:37,190 --> 01:51:34,650
of haunted objects we really come at it

2371
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:37,200
from that perspective and it's always

2372
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:39,690
important to set your intentions when

2373
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:41,370
you go into a haunted house because that

2374
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:43,290
really dictates the kind of experience

2375
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:45,690
you're gonna get we're of the mindset

2376
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:48,960
that a lot of this activity it's all

2377
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:50,610
connected you know you do it long enough

2378
01:51:55,970 --> 01:51:52,800
and you figure you start to see the

2379
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:55,980
patterns Bigfoot's investigators are

2380
01:51:59,360 --> 01:51:57,690
really experiencing stuff that a lot of

2381
01:52:01,040 --> 01:51:59,370
you know you'll follow just experience

2382
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:01,050
and sometimes some you apologists are

2383
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:02,370
experiencing things the ghost hunters

2384
01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:05,520
experience so we went into it with the

2385
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:08,070
idea that this is all connected let's do

2386
01:52:12,020 --> 01:52:10,050
what we know how to do let's set our

2387
01:52:15,890 --> 01:52:12,030
intentions Dana did a little ritual and

2388
01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:15,900
then we had some strange activity and

2389
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:18,240
once with that kicked up Connor sat down

2390
01:52:23,480 --> 01:52:21,210
and decided to do the estus method which

2391
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:23,490
is one of the most fascinating things

2392
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:25,170
I've ever seen

2393
01:52:28,610 --> 01:52:26,730
if people are familiar with a lot of the

2394
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:28,620
ghosts on television shows and and

2395
01:52:32,510 --> 01:52:30,090
paranormal investigator normal

2396
01:52:35,930 --> 01:52:32,520
investigators they know that ghosts

2397
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,940
boxes are all the rage they're these

2398
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,920
devices that sweep through radio

2399
01:52:42,770 --> 01:52:40,080
frequencies at a rapid rate and

2400
01:52:44,750 --> 01:52:42,780
sometimes a word gets spit out now I

2401
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:44,760
need to preface this by saying I hate

2402
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:46,530
ghost boxes I think it's one of the

2403
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:49,410
worst forms of ITC I think that they

2404
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:51,810
give tons of false positives especially

2405
01:52:54,440 --> 01:52:53,010
when there's a group of people who are

2406
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:54,450
all convincing each other that they are

2407
01:52:58,970 --> 01:52:56,550
hearing the same thing right I never

2408
01:53:01,850 --> 01:52:58,980
took it seriously until I saw the way

2409
01:53:04,370 --> 01:53:01,860
that Karl and Connor came up with this

2410
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:04,380
method of using it which employs a lot

2411
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:07,050
of old parapsychological techniques so

2412
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:10,320
the way this works is you take a ghost

2413
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:11,280
box they use a

2414
01:53:16,820 --> 01:53:15,090
sb7 spirit box a pair of specific

2415
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:16,830
drumming headphones

2416
01:53:22,220 --> 01:53:19,020
Conner's a drummer in a colorado punk

2417
01:53:24,710 --> 01:53:22,230
band called the Ghoulies so he used his

2418
01:53:28,130 --> 01:53:24,720
drumming headphones which block out 20

2419
01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:28,140
decibels worth of noise and they plug it

2420
01:53:36,260 --> 01:53:32,030
straight into the sb7 Connor puts on a

2421
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:36,270
an eye mask so the idea is he can't hear

2422
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:38,970
anything he can't see anything all he

2423
01:53:45,710 --> 01:53:41,670
hears are these radio frequencies

2424
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:45,720
sweeping he acts as a receiver somebody

2425
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:48,930
else asks as the questioner what's

2426
01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:51,690
really compelling to me is when somebody

2427
01:53:56,690 --> 01:53:54,300
is asking questions that Connor can't

2428
01:53:59,630 --> 01:53:56,700
hear and he's only spitting out the

2429
01:54:01,460 --> 01:53:59,640
words he hears on the spirit box and he

2430
01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:01,470
starts answering those questions so I'm

2431
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:03,300
starting a full-on conversation exactly

2432
01:54:08,510 --> 01:54:05,730
so for the audience I want you to

2433
01:54:10,460 --> 01:54:08,520
understand as opposed to everybody in

2434
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:10,470
the room and the spirit and everybody

2435
01:54:16,940 --> 01:54:13,310
can hear everything and and and

2436
01:54:21,590 --> 01:54:16,950
seriously pollute and contaminate what

2437
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,600
they are doing here Connor is isolated

2438
01:54:25,580 --> 01:54:23,280
he can't hear the questions that are

2439
01:54:26,990 --> 01:54:25,590
being asked he can't see he can't see

2440
01:54:31,070 --> 01:54:27,000
expressions he can't do anything he can

2441
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:31,080
only listen to the spirit box you guys

2442
01:54:34,220 --> 01:54:33,210
are asking the questions he has no idea

2443
01:54:36,770 --> 01:54:34,230
what's going on

2444
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:36,780
that is pretty scientific that's a good

2445
01:54:42,860 --> 01:54:39,780
method yeah I mean it's really it's kind

2446
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:42,870
of a double-blind thing and it's and

2447
01:54:47,450 --> 01:54:45,420
that was the first time that I I was so

2448
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:47,460
stunned because I'd seen them do it they

2449
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:50,370
had a web series fantastic web series

2450
01:54:55,580 --> 01:54:52,800
called spirits of the Stanley which they

2451
01:54:56,990 --> 01:54:55,590
shot at the Stanley Hotel and it's you

2452
01:55:00,050 --> 01:54:57,000
can actually see them coming up with

2453
01:55:01,670 --> 01:55:00,060
this method as it progresses this was

2454
01:55:03,770 --> 01:55:01,680
the first time I'd seen it in person and

2455
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:03,780
I was absolutely blown away because what

2456
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:06,780
starts to happen is Connors predicting

2457
01:55:10,910 --> 01:55:09,420
the future he's actually predicting

2458
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:10,920
things that are going to happen to us

2459
01:55:14,930 --> 01:55:13,770
within 30 seconds and I was losing my

2460
01:55:15,410 --> 01:55:14,940
mind because I'd never seen anything

2461
01:55:17,450 --> 01:55:15,420
like it

2462
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:17,460
it was that's why I can describe it is

2463
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:20,880
like technologically assisted mediumship

2464
01:55:24,750 --> 01:55:24,090
panels like channeling yes yes yes I was

2465
01:55:32,410 --> 01:55:24,760
I was

2466
01:55:35,340 --> 01:55:32,420
could not stop and now we've got two

2467
01:55:41,020 --> 01:55:35,350
minutes to the break and a key thing now

2468
01:55:43,479 --> 01:55:41,030
again no spoilers here but everybody's

2469
01:55:46,330 --> 01:55:43,489
got to go and watch episode 5 we've

2470
01:55:49,410 --> 01:55:46,340
we've only teased you up to this point

2471
01:55:51,850 --> 01:55:49,420
there was so much stuff that is going on

2472
01:55:59,140 --> 01:55:51,860
believe it or not there's so much more

2473
01:56:02,170 --> 01:55:59,150
but at this point he says okay you tell

2474
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:02,180
he mentions an object it's safe to

2475
01:56:07,150 --> 01:56:03,920
mention the object nobody's gonna know

2476
01:56:10,630 --> 01:56:07,160
until they see episode 5 but what does

2477
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:10,640
he say in the moment

2478
01:56:18,220 --> 01:56:14,210
Connor has a very distinct visual image

2479
01:56:20,979 --> 01:56:18,230
that pops directly into his mind and he

2480
01:56:25,900 --> 01:56:20,989
doesn't really know why but he sees a

2481
01:56:30,130 --> 01:56:25,910
tin can on a really specific tin can yep

2482
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:30,140
yep and and now okay so everybody just

2483
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:32,090
kind of hold on to that thought and when

2484
01:56:36,430 --> 01:56:34,370
you see when you see the series you'll

2485
01:56:39,670 --> 01:56:36,440
know what happens from there but it

2486
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:39,680
happens well he is predicting the future

2487
01:56:48,700 --> 01:56:43,730
and and this is something else that I've

2488
01:56:49,209 --> 01:56:48,710
got to mention this last year at ecity

2489
01:56:52,630 --> 01:56:49,219
ranch

2490
01:56:54,490 --> 01:56:52,640
I had a daytime UFO sighting with with a

2491
01:56:58,360 --> 01:56:54,500
group of people right there was many

2492
01:57:01,479 --> 01:56:58,370
people around me and it was 14 miles

2493
01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:01,489
away behind Mount Adams but are you

2494
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:12,580
that's really interesting yes because

2495
01:57:19,180 --> 01:57:17,930
this popped up in Helier and I look you

2496
01:57:21,340 --> 01:57:19,190
guys don't know about this haven't

2497
01:57:26,110 --> 01:57:21,350
talked to you about this but when this

2498
01:57:30,580 --> 01:57:26,120
popped up in Helier oh darling Craig

2499
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:34,330
that's that's what happened and pretty

2500
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:36,170
pretty pretty funny

2501
01:57:41,770 --> 01:57:39,050
at that moment Greg you know exactly

2502
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:41,780
what part of the series that I called

2503
01:57:46,780 --> 01:57:43,010
you in because we talked about it but

2504
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:46,790
that's where it was and and I I'm just

2505
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:48,080
gonna leave it right there the audience

2506
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:50,570
knows about the daytime sighting you've

2507
01:57:54,610 --> 01:57:52,370
got to go and watch hell here we're

2508
01:57:56,380 --> 01:57:54,620
gonna take a break right here we come

2509
01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:56,390
back we're gonna you're gonna continue

2510
01:58:00,940 --> 01:57:57,770
this journey it gets nuts

2511
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it gets nuts the tin can

2512
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our guest tonight Greg and Dana Newkirk

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2616
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2617
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2621
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2626
02:03:17,770 --> 02:03:13,519
welcome back fade to black I'm no subete

2627
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Church that's right you need to check

2628
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out Hellyer that's all I've got to say I

2629
02:03:29,229 --> 02:03:25,399
was I was told and you know the the

2630
02:03:31,330 --> 02:03:29,239
email the comments the tweets about you

2631
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know that that this was out that I

2632
02:03:36,819 --> 02:03:33,380
needed to go check it out and the

2633
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excitement around it has been bread

2634
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:39,469
spent pretty cool how has the reception

2635
02:03:45,969 --> 02:03:44,090
been to hell you're so far I mean it's

2636
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been great it's fantastic I think anyone

2637
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:48,229
who watches it will know that it's not

2638
02:03:53,649 --> 02:03:51,110
made for your typical paranormal

2639
02:03:55,299 --> 02:03:53,659
television viewer there's some concepts

2640
02:03:56,770 --> 02:03:55,309
in it that are a little bit different

2641
02:03:58,659 --> 02:03:56,780
there are things that you know they're

2642
02:04:01,259 --> 02:03:58,669
not new by any means I mean people like

2643
02:04:03,639 --> 02:04:01,269
you know Jacques Vallee and John keel

2644
02:04:04,959 --> 02:04:03,649
people that we really respect and have

2645
02:04:07,719 --> 02:04:04,969
read a lot there are a lot of those

2646
02:04:10,989 --> 02:04:07,729
types of concepts and it's been really

2647
02:04:13,169 --> 02:04:10,999
awesome to see who it resonates with and

2648
02:04:15,459 --> 02:04:13,179
what type of person it resonates with

2649
02:04:19,209 --> 02:04:15,469
it's you know there's always going to be

2650
02:04:20,139 --> 02:04:19,219
the this isn't a spoiler so much but

2651
02:04:23,109 --> 02:04:20,149
there's always gonna be a group of

2652
02:04:26,020 --> 02:04:23,119
people who won't be happy until we come

2653
02:04:28,449 --> 02:04:26,030
out of a cave triumphantly dragging a

2654
02:04:31,929 --> 02:04:28,459
dead goblin with automatic weapons slung

2655
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:31,939
over our shoulders but that does not

2656
02:04:38,009 --> 02:04:34,880
exactly happen there's there is a

2657
02:04:41,759 --> 02:04:38,019
crescendo but it's not your typical

2658
02:04:45,219 --> 02:04:41,769
paranormal media no it's a great ending

2659
02:04:48,370 --> 02:04:45,229
and and well you know okay let's do a

2660
02:04:53,739 --> 02:04:48,380
little but let's do a little teaser here

2661
02:04:59,020 --> 02:04:53,749
for everybody in that there's there has

2662
02:05:00,639 --> 02:04:59,030
to be a part - yeah yeah I mean one of

2663
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:00,649
the things we've been saying is that

2664
02:05:09,069 --> 02:05:05,599
Hollyer was really a prologue it was it

2665
02:05:12,189 --> 02:05:09,079
was the beginning and we have to

2666
02:05:13,929 --> 02:05:12,199
continue along the investigation one of

2667
02:05:16,419 --> 02:05:13,939
the things that became clear to us

2668
02:05:18,459 --> 02:05:16,429
because when we set out to shoot Helier

2669
02:05:21,010 --> 02:05:18,469
we didn't know what it was gonna be it

2670
02:05:22,810 --> 02:05:21,020
originally was gonna be a documentary

2671
02:05:24,850 --> 02:05:22,820
like an hour-and-a-half documentary and

2672
02:05:27,730 --> 02:05:24,860
when we realized how big and expansive

2673
02:05:29,740 --> 02:05:27,740
this case was but people have to keep in

2674
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:29,750
mind is they're seeing things as they

2675
02:05:36,700 --> 02:05:34,880
unfold so we we show a lot in Hellyer

2676
02:05:38,230 --> 02:05:36,710
that you don't normally see in a lot of

2677
02:05:40,090 --> 02:05:38,240
this media we show the actual

2678
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:40,100
investigation with the highs and the

2679
02:05:45,490 --> 02:05:42,890
lows and the dead ends this was the

2680
02:05:47,730 --> 02:05:45,500
start of something much bigger and what

2681
02:05:50,110 --> 02:05:47,740
happens in the final episode

2682
02:05:53,590 --> 02:05:50,120
particularly in the last 30 seconds or

2683
02:05:56,290 --> 02:05:53,600
so we've had questions where people say

2684
02:05:59,380 --> 02:05:56,300
you know did that really happen yeah it

2685
02:06:05,470 --> 02:05:59,390
did it's not there to be cute Helier had

2686
02:06:09,310 --> 02:06:05,480
a different ending until February and at

2687
02:06:11,710 --> 02:06:09,320
that point we knew okay this is huge and

2688
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:11,720
the second season is going to be so much

2689
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:13,930
bigger and so much more expansive and

2690
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:17,360
we're far more prepared this time than

2691
02:06:23,860 --> 02:06:19,450
we were the first time there there are

2692
02:06:27,550 --> 02:06:23,870
indications throughout the first four

2693
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:27,560
episodes leading into five starting with

2694
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:31,280
the first episode that this is a big

2695
02:06:36,670 --> 02:06:34,490
deal it's a big case it's complex it's

2696
02:06:39,820 --> 02:06:36,680
not anything which you thought it was

2697
02:06:42,870 --> 02:06:39,830
ultimately going to be and there was a

2698
02:06:47,290 --> 02:06:42,880
lot of secrecy and cloak-and-dagger

2699
02:06:52,180 --> 02:06:47,300
Bizzaro moments in each episode that

2700
02:06:54,940 --> 02:06:52,190
shows you as as the viewer how big and

2701
02:07:00,010 --> 02:06:54,950
how wide this is it's not a simple case

2702
02:07:02,050 --> 02:07:00,020
of you know some some goblins or ETS

2703
02:07:05,140 --> 02:07:02,060
playing in the backyard with the

2704
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:05,150
children's toys it's it's much much

2705
02:07:16,210 --> 02:07:10,270
bigger than that which takes me to this

2706
02:07:23,140 --> 02:07:16,220
there is a moment of clarity that you

2707
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:23,150
guys go through while sitting around and

2708
02:07:34,340 --> 02:07:29,810
talking and who had the who had the isp

2709
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:34,350
idea first what was it you press or was

2710
02:07:39,570 --> 02:07:37,360
no it was Rashad it was Rashad right a

2711
02:07:40,980 --> 02:07:39,580
cameraman you don't you don't see much

2712
02:07:43,890 --> 02:07:40,990
of him but he really is kind of the

2713
02:07:45,390 --> 02:07:43,900
unsung hero of Helier cuz he's the guy

2714
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:45,400
who was holding the camera the entire

2715
02:07:50,250 --> 02:07:47,440
time and it's all he did and he's

2716
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:50,260
looking at the email I'm gonna let you

2717
02:07:55,140 --> 02:07:52,330
tell the story but he's speaking to you

2718
02:07:58,620 --> 02:07:55,150
and that's what it was right you're

2719
02:08:01,290 --> 02:07:58,630
sitting on he's speaking to you and he's

2720
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:01,300
looking at whose email is he is he

2721
02:08:08,490 --> 02:08:04,810
looking at so he's looking at the email

2722
02:08:09,900 --> 02:08:08,500
from David Christie and we're sitting

2723
02:08:11,580 --> 02:08:09,910
around again it was another one of those

2724
02:08:12,900 --> 02:08:11,590
moments where there's you know a dead

2725
02:08:14,580 --> 02:08:12,910
end and then there's a dangling carrot

2726
02:08:16,170 --> 02:08:14,590
and we follow the carrot and there's a

2727
02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:16,180
dead end and in this this keeps

2728
02:08:20,100 --> 02:08:17,710
happening it's a continuous thing

2729
02:08:23,100 --> 02:08:20,110
something's pushing us or directing us

2730
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:23,110
somewhere and we're frustrated we're at

2731
02:08:27,210 --> 02:08:25,450
the cabin and we're just kind of sitting

2732
02:08:31,890 --> 02:08:27,220
around trying to figure out what the

2733
02:08:34,380 --> 02:08:31,900
next step is and Rashad says you know it

2734
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:34,390
says here I'm just googling around it

2735
02:08:39,390 --> 02:08:37,210
says you might be able to trace this

2736
02:08:41,130 --> 02:08:39,400
email you might be able to trace this IP

2737
02:08:44,940 --> 02:08:41,140
address and figure out where this came

2738
02:08:47,010 --> 02:08:44,950
from and so there was this mad dash

2739
02:08:49,860 --> 02:08:47,020
where everybody you know all the cameras

2740
02:08:52,290 --> 02:08:49,870
turned on and we sat down and we started

2741
02:08:56,130 --> 02:08:52,300
to trace these emails now why didn't you

2742
02:08:58,200 --> 02:08:56,140
why didn't you do this before never

2743
02:09:03,030 --> 02:08:58,210
occurred to us I never knew you could do

2744
02:09:07,110 --> 02:09:03,040
such a thing I'm I'm not a techie I had

2745
02:09:09,870 --> 02:09:07,120
no clue so it was it's a good example of

2746
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:09,880
like a the right group of people right

2747
02:09:14,670 --> 02:09:11,290
you know I mean where you just have that

2748
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:14,680
one person who you know Rashad may not

2749
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:16,000
have had a background in paranormal

2750
02:09:19,290 --> 02:09:17,890
investigation but he in that moment he

2751
02:09:21,630 --> 02:09:19,300
was like oh wait why don't we try this

2752
02:09:23,370 --> 02:09:21,640
and it just we were like why didn't any

2753
02:09:25,020 --> 02:09:23,380
of us think about that of course that's

2754
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:25,030
what we should try no it was sort of

2755
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:29,290
this like perfect moment and and spoiler

2756
02:09:38,250 --> 02:09:34,410
alert Dana's sitting there sitting there

2757
02:09:41,460 --> 02:09:38,260
listening to this conversation and I'm

2758
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:41,470
watching you're not saying much Dana but

2759
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:44,960
I can see the wheels are turning right

2760
02:09:48,010 --> 02:09:47,360
what what what were you thinking at that

2761
02:09:53,590 --> 02:09:48,020
moment

2762
02:09:56,709 --> 02:09:53,600
that yes that's the best way to describe

2763
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:56,719
it it I I think you're actually watching

2764
02:10:03,130 --> 02:10:00,560
me process Lizzie I'm processing

2765
02:10:05,290 --> 02:10:03,140
everything and it's like I don't think I

2766
02:10:06,970 --> 02:10:05,300
was aware of even being on camera I

2767
02:10:08,830 --> 02:10:06,980
don't think that I I think I was like

2768
02:10:10,990 --> 02:10:08,840
literally in that holy crap moment where

2769
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:11,000
I was just like what is happening right

2770
02:10:14,860 --> 02:10:13,280
now I'm just experiencing it you can see

2771
02:10:16,780 --> 02:10:14,870
it on my face I thought you were about

2772
02:10:20,650 --> 02:10:16,790
to tip over the coffee table that's

2773
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:20,660
where I thought it was doing so I'm sure

2774
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:23,360
that that is right where you were okay

2775
02:10:30,010 --> 02:10:27,650
so now you get your IT guy on the phone

2776
02:10:31,860 --> 02:10:30,020
who happens to pick up at two o'clock in

2777
02:10:38,290 --> 02:10:31,870
the morning what was his name

2778
02:10:40,930 --> 02:10:38,300
aha that was Steve Steve was one of Carl

2779
02:10:42,490 --> 02:10:40,940
and Connor's friends who worked on their

2780
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:42,500
series of spirits the Stanley is one of

2781
02:10:47,770 --> 02:10:44,210
their investigator friends who happens

2782
02:10:49,990 --> 02:10:47,780
to be a I T professional and you know

2783
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:50,000
he's a he's a ghost hunter and plus you

2784
02:10:56,830 --> 02:10:53,050
know it's it's three to three hours

2785
02:11:00,280 --> 02:10:56,840
previous where we are so he he answers a

2786
02:11:02,050 --> 02:11:00,290
phone and we start running things by him

2787
02:11:05,860 --> 02:11:02,060
we're forwarding emails to him he's

2788
02:11:12,490 --> 02:11:05,870
doing his magic and without spoiling too

2789
02:11:16,150 --> 02:11:12,500
much the the location of the emails was

2790
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:16,160
not anywhere we anticipated them to be

2791
02:11:26,770 --> 02:11:25,040
and it was an immense bomb yeah it was

2792
02:11:28,450 --> 02:11:26,780
like a bomb had gone off now I'm not

2793
02:11:31,030 --> 02:11:28,460
gonna give away because it's such a

2794
02:11:32,650 --> 02:11:31,040
special moment everybody's just got to

2795
02:11:36,220 --> 02:11:32,660
go and watch it's like 10 minutes long

2796
02:11:40,630 --> 02:11:36,230
15 minutes long it's pretty intense but

2797
02:11:45,490 --> 02:11:40,640
there was one instance that we can't

2798
02:11:50,350 --> 02:11:45,500
talk about and that is the first ISP

2799
02:11:54,970 --> 02:11:50,360
location was mm-hmm was near you guys up

2800
02:11:58,370 --> 02:11:54,980
in Canada it was about two hours north

2801
02:12:01,790 --> 02:11:58,380
of where we were living at the time

2802
02:12:05,540 --> 02:12:01,800
and and it was in Toronto right on the

2803
02:12:08,750 --> 02:12:05,550
outskirts of Toronto and we kind of had

2804
02:12:15,020 --> 02:12:08,760
a meltdown yeah because it's kind of you

2805
02:12:17,540 --> 02:12:15,030
should see now this is what now I put

2806
02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:17,550
myself immediately in your shoes at that

2807
02:12:24,979 --> 02:12:21,270
moment because because it gets so

2808
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:24,989
twisted and suddenly the email address

2809
02:12:29,720 --> 02:12:27,090
didn't necessarily come from where you

2810
02:12:30,919 --> 02:12:29,730
thought but the opposite it came out of

2811
02:12:34,850 --> 02:12:30,929
your own backyard

2812
02:12:37,550 --> 02:12:34,860
now the conspiracy Trippi thoughts start

2813
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:37,560
popping into your heads it had to go

2814
02:12:42,439 --> 02:12:38,730
that way for you

2815
02:12:45,970 --> 02:12:42,449
Dana is that where you went yeah I mean

2816
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:45,980
that is the moment where I'm in full

2817
02:12:50,510 --> 02:12:48,690
paranoia mode I'm just like trying to

2818
02:12:53,930 --> 02:12:50,520
think of who it could be I'm trying to

2819
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:53,940
think of why would be and and it's funny

2820
02:12:58,010 --> 02:12:56,010
too because I think the other thing that

2821
02:13:00,290 --> 02:12:58,020
popped into my head at that moment was

2822
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:00,300
the same feeling that I felt years

2823
02:13:05,959 --> 02:13:03,510
before when we received an email telling

2824
02:13:09,050 --> 02:13:05,969
us where we had been it was like it was

2825
02:13:11,689 --> 02:13:09,060
too close to home it felt invasive I

2826
02:13:14,330 --> 02:13:11,699
felt really I felt really like

2827
02:13:17,300 --> 02:13:14,340
threatened and again that kind of that

2828
02:13:20,229 --> 02:13:17,310
sinister and vibe just sort of crept

2829
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:20,239
over me in that moment where I felt like

2830
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:22,290
everything that was happening was like

2831
02:13:26,750 --> 02:13:23,760
way too close to him and I felt like I

2832
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:26,760
was being played with and I that was a

2833
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:28,650
in that moment that was a really

2834
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:32,010
horrible feeling because violation it

2835
02:13:38,840 --> 02:13:35,280
felt like a violation exactly if if if

2836
02:13:42,169 --> 02:13:38,850
Greg could have had WTF tattooed on his

2837
02:13:44,570 --> 02:13:42,179
forehead that was the moment well I mean

2838
02:13:46,100 --> 02:13:44,580
I think even in the series you uh you

2839
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:46,110
hear me say a few words I can't say on

2840
02:13:52,669 --> 02:13:49,199
the radio I say say but I scream them

2841
02:13:55,879 --> 02:13:52,679
really and that this was one of those

2842
02:13:58,370 --> 02:13:55,889
moments and so we'll save it and and

2843
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:58,380
what happens next everybody can go and

2844
02:14:03,860 --> 02:13:59,040
watch it

2845
02:14:05,390 --> 02:14:03,870
but the there's as you guys are pulling

2846
02:14:08,419 --> 02:14:05,400
this apart you guys go back and look at

2847
02:14:09,770 --> 02:14:08,429
dates and locations and you know that

2848
02:14:13,490 --> 02:14:09,780
you guys were

2849
02:14:16,010 --> 02:14:13,500
in Canada where this email may or may

2850
02:14:19,100 --> 02:14:16,020
not have originated from a small town

2851
02:14:23,180 --> 02:14:19,110
just north of Toronto when you guys were

2852
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:23,190
in Canada and Dana says it right

2853
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:27,840
paranoia suspicions oh did you guys hear

2854
02:14:37,550 --> 02:14:36,090
that is that you yeah yeah no wow yeah

2855
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:37,560
what was that I don't know I'm

2856
02:14:55,820 --> 02:14:39,810
underground I thought it came from you

2857
02:14:58,700 --> 02:14:55,830
guys in the last episode people are look

2858
02:15:01,100 --> 02:14:58,710
at me on the camera they know I'm just

2859
02:15:05,240 --> 02:15:01,110
sitting here and that sounded like a

2860
02:15:09,710 --> 02:15:05,250
growl yeah that was trippy in stereo too

2861
02:15:11,330 --> 02:15:09,720
as well that was okay anyway I've got to

2862
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:11,340
go back and listen to that look

2863
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:13,290
everybody in Twitter what the hell was

2864
02:15:22,970 --> 02:15:17,520
that weird sound okay yeah that was a

2865
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:22,980
that was that was bizarre oh okay in

2866
02:15:26,890 --> 02:15:25,440
that this is coming from a small town

2867
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:26,900
and you guys are doing the old

2868
02:15:32,540 --> 02:15:29,570
triangulation of time and events and

2869
02:15:36,020 --> 02:15:32,550
when it when it hits that close to home

2870
02:15:39,190 --> 02:15:36,030
Greg for you the male side were you

2871
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:39,200
thinking pragmatically here were you

2872
02:15:43,850 --> 02:15:41,490
thinking black and white or were you

2873
02:15:46,340 --> 02:15:43,860
like you know holy crap okay this is

2874
02:15:48,980 --> 02:15:46,350
this is like getting sinister where was

2875
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:48,990
your mind at that moment well the first

2876
02:15:53,210 --> 02:15:50,880
thing I did was I started racking my

2877
02:15:55,010 --> 02:15:53,220
brain to everyone that we knew in Canada

2878
02:15:59,090 --> 02:15:55,020
all the researchers we'd have run-ins

2879
02:16:02,270 --> 02:15:59,100
with Canada you know anybody it's not a

2880
02:16:05,570 --> 02:16:02,280
huge secret to say that I have a I have

2881
02:16:08,420 --> 02:16:05,580
a good rogues gallery of enemies right I

2882
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:08,430
used to yes run a website called who

2883
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:13,050
forted and I pretty much made it my goal

2884
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:17,130
to frustrate and irritate as many people

2885
02:16:22,190 --> 02:16:19,250
in the paranormal community as possible

2886
02:16:23,209 --> 02:16:22,200
and the first thing I did was I started

2887
02:16:26,479 --> 02:16:23,219
to Rack my

2888
02:16:30,439 --> 02:16:26,489
and think of who is messing with me who

2889
02:16:33,459 --> 02:16:30,449
did I who did I make upset who is who's

2890
02:16:37,219 --> 02:16:33,469
doing this and I couldn't I couldn't

2891
02:16:39,169 --> 02:16:37,229
narrow it down to anybody and in I was

2892
02:16:41,179 --> 02:16:39,179
lost I mean at that point I was

2893
02:16:43,820 --> 02:16:41,189
absolutely lost because I had no idea

2894
02:16:45,230 --> 02:16:43,830
what to make of it there were just too

2895
02:16:50,509 --> 02:16:45,240
many things that didn't add up

2896
02:16:53,089 --> 02:16:50,519
and I frankly kind of wanted to cry or

2897
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:53,099
scream one of the two right right that

2898
02:16:59,959 --> 02:16:55,920
was an eye-opening moment and a special

2899
02:17:03,320 --> 02:16:59,969
moment - which again opens up all of

2900
02:17:05,570 --> 02:17:03,330
this into a wider situation certainly

2901
02:17:07,549 --> 02:17:05,580
how things end up resolving and then

2902
02:17:09,350 --> 02:17:07,559
obviously there has to be season two

2903
02:17:11,629 --> 02:17:09,360
because all of this is tied together I

2904
02:17:13,879 --> 02:17:11,639
did want to ask you this while you guys

2905
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:13,889
were in the cabin anything strange

2906
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:17,490
happening I'm trying to think of

2907
02:17:22,700 --> 02:17:20,639
anything overtly weird not necessarily

2908
02:17:25,370 --> 02:17:22,710
in the cabin itself it was pretty much

2909
02:17:27,890 --> 02:17:25,380
outside I mean there was stuff that that

2910
02:17:32,540 --> 02:17:27,900
knew what we were doing and knew we were

2911
02:17:34,250 --> 02:17:32,550
there and felt very elemental I think is

2912
02:17:35,959 --> 02:17:34,260
the best way to put it

2913
02:17:37,250 --> 02:17:35,969
so there was definitely stuff going on

2914
02:17:38,780 --> 02:17:37,260
outside the cabin whether it had

2915
02:17:39,980 --> 02:17:38,790
anything to do with the cabin or the

2916
02:17:44,060 --> 02:17:39,990
fact that we were there and we

2917
02:17:46,490 --> 02:17:44,070
specifically put our intentions out into

2918
02:17:49,129 --> 02:17:46,500
this land to say okay we're here we want

2919
02:17:53,690 --> 02:17:49,139
answers what's going on that I don't

2920
02:17:57,230 --> 02:17:53,700
know now what you guys spent seven days

2921
02:18:00,770 --> 02:17:57,240
in town yeah that's about a week yeah

2922
02:18:05,150 --> 02:18:00,780
okay on a week what night was the email

2923
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:05,160
ISP night that was there we left yeah

2924
02:18:11,740 --> 02:18:07,679
right right yeah okay the night before

2925
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:11,750
we left and so leading up to all of this

2926
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:18,000
the next day which is episode 5 I'll

2927
02:18:23,089 --> 02:18:20,130
just let everybody know that's episode 5

2928
02:18:25,520 --> 02:18:23,099
and I have chosen not to go there

2929
02:18:27,830 --> 02:18:25,530
because it's a it's a special episode

2930
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:27,840
that ties everything together but this

2931
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:31,590
leads into episode five did you guys

2932
02:18:35,339 --> 02:18:33,330
know what you were going to do in the

2933
02:18:37,919 --> 02:18:35,349
morning

2934
02:18:40,650 --> 02:18:37,929
I don't think we did I quite we had

2935
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:40,660
ideas yeah I think that we we knew what

2936
02:18:44,850 --> 02:18:42,490
we wanted to be doing but we weren't

2937
02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:44,860
sure whether or not we were actually

2938
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:47,830
going to be doing it the the thing about

2939
02:18:53,250 --> 02:18:51,280
Helier is we thought we were going to be

2940
02:18:55,890 --> 02:18:53,260
doing one thing when we ended up there

2941
02:18:57,959 --> 02:18:55,900
we thought I think even Conor sums this

2942
02:18:59,360 --> 02:18:57,969
up perfectly we thought we were gonna be

2943
02:19:01,470 --> 02:18:59,370
hanging out in some guys backyard

2944
02:19:02,970 --> 02:19:01,480
waiting for goblins to come out of a

2945
02:19:06,030 --> 02:19:02,980
mineshaft that's what we thought we were

2946
02:19:09,959 --> 02:19:06,040
gonna be doing we were utterly

2947
02:19:14,070 --> 02:19:09,969
unprepared for what we really ended up

2948
02:19:16,260 --> 02:19:14,080
doing and unprepared for the revelations

2949
02:19:18,060 --> 02:19:16,270
that came from what we were going to be

2950
02:19:20,610 --> 02:19:18,070
doing we thought it was going to be

2951
02:19:23,220 --> 02:19:20,620
pretty cut and dry and it was anything

2952
02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:23,230
but everything that happens in the fifth

2953
02:19:29,940 --> 02:19:27,250
episode everything that unravels and you

2954
02:19:34,740 --> 02:19:29,950
know specifically the way that this the

2955
02:19:38,299 --> 02:19:34,750
first season ends we were unprepared for

2956
02:19:43,379 --> 02:19:38,309
we had no concept of what was coming

2957
02:19:46,049 --> 02:19:43,389
okay I do want to discuss one thing that

2958
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:46,059
happens in Episode five for me that's

2959
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:52,000
not part of episode five directly but it

2960
02:20:02,370 --> 02:19:57,760
is your ping pong balls and and and what

2961
02:20:07,790 --> 02:20:02,380
I what I want to discuss is what because

2962
02:20:12,780 --> 02:20:07,800
for me it was a very terrifying

2963
02:20:15,511 --> 02:20:12,790
situation I don't like being in a

2964
02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:15,521
situation that I can't control and you

2965
02:20:20,850 --> 02:20:19,330
are voluntarily put in something that

2966
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:20,860
you cannot control you don't know what's

2967
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:22,810
going to happen or what which you are

2968
02:20:33,450 --> 02:20:27,280
going to see and so for everybody tell

2969
02:20:36,060 --> 02:20:33,460
them exactly how this is is prepared

2970
02:20:38,820 --> 02:20:36,070
because it I want everybody to visually

2971
02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:38,830
understand what you're going through how

2972
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:41,350
the balls are placed the lights and so

2973
02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:44,370
forth so one of the things that we did

2974
02:20:48,300 --> 02:20:46,570
because of the way that we were

2975
02:20:49,050 --> 02:20:48,310
researching this phenomena and because

2976
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:49,060
it felt

2977
02:20:52,979 --> 02:20:51,130
like one of these things where you know

2978
02:20:54,450 --> 02:20:52,989
psychic phenomena was obviously coming

2979
02:20:58,290 --> 02:20:54,460
into play there were a lot of different

2980
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:58,300
things that were we wanted to explore

2981
02:21:01,740 --> 02:20:59,920
every Avenue so one of the things that

2982
02:21:04,859 --> 02:21:01,750
we did is we did an old Paris

2983
02:21:06,929 --> 02:21:04,869
psychological experiment called the the

2984
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:06,939
ganzfeld experiment and the way that you

2985
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:09,210
perform this is you you take two

2986
02:21:15,359 --> 02:21:13,090
ping-pong balls and you use medical tape

2987
02:21:17,099 --> 02:21:15,369
to seal up the edges and you put it

2988
02:21:18,780 --> 02:21:17,109
around your eyes so the only thing your

2989
02:21:23,370 --> 02:21:18,790
eyes can see is kind of this milky

2990
02:21:27,240 --> 02:21:23,380
opaque mists and then you you take a

2991
02:21:29,160 --> 02:21:27,250
pair of red lights and you shine the red

2992
02:21:30,750 --> 02:21:29,170
lights on them so it almost feels like

2993
02:21:32,639 --> 02:21:30,760
what you're seeing is something like

2994
02:21:35,399 --> 02:21:32,649
almost like with your eyes closed and

2995
02:21:37,979 --> 02:21:35,409
there's a light on your eyes it's just

2996
02:21:41,160 --> 02:21:37,989
to make sure that you can't see anything

2997
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:41,170
and then you use a pair of headphones

2998
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:44,800
and you pump in white noise so it's just

2999
02:21:49,889 --> 02:21:46,810
kind of the television static sort of

3000
02:21:52,979 --> 02:21:49,899
noise and you relax yourself as much as

3001
02:21:56,280 --> 02:21:52,989
possible and then you just sort of zone

3002
02:21:59,069 --> 02:21:56,290
out and the theory behind this is that

3003
02:22:03,179 --> 02:21:59,079
when all of your senses are shut down

3004
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:03,189
when everything is closed down your your

3005
02:22:08,429 --> 02:22:05,290
sixth sense your potential psychic

3006
02:22:09,300 --> 02:22:08,439
abilities kick in and and you can use

3007
02:22:11,960 --> 02:22:09,310
them better because you're not

3008
02:22:15,240 --> 02:22:11,970
overwhelmed by you know audio

3009
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:15,250
sensitivity and visual sensitivity so

3010
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:19,359
you're isolated you hear nothing you see

3011
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:21,850
nothing and you're just laying there

3012
02:22:26,370 --> 02:22:23,920
trying attempting to be comfortable and

3013
02:22:29,250 --> 02:22:26,380
it doesn't take very long before you do

3014
02:22:31,950 --> 02:22:29,260
this when the visions begin do you know

3015
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:31,960
how terrifying that is to watch it's

3016
02:22:38,099 --> 02:22:35,290
it's absolutely terrifying and so you

3017
02:22:41,460 --> 02:22:38,109
are telling me Dana next question is to

3018
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:41,470
you you are telling me that you are your

3019
02:22:48,740 --> 02:22:43,680
eyes are open

3020
02:22:52,649 --> 02:22:48,750
looking at this opaque red milkiness

3021
02:22:58,639 --> 02:22:52,659
listening to white noise right how

3022
02:23:01,889 --> 02:22:58,649
stupid is that it sounds crazy and and

3023
02:23:02,730 --> 02:23:01,899
it it's funny because when you're even

3024
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:02,740
when you're doing

3025
02:23:07,710 --> 02:23:05,200
it feels terrifying because you don't

3026
02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:07,720
know what you're going to see you don't

3027
02:23:11,340 --> 02:23:08,770
know what you're going to experience

3028
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:11,350
that's it that's it and so for you Dana

3029
02:23:16,980 --> 02:23:14,290
looking at your better half going

3030
02:23:20,420 --> 02:23:16,990
through that it's got to be pretty

3031
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:20,430
unsettling for you pretty pretty intense

3032
02:23:28,100 --> 02:23:24,880
yeah I mean I on top of that we were in

3033
02:23:30,900 --> 02:23:28,110
a location that wasn't necessarily safe

3034
02:23:32,550 --> 02:23:30,910
you know with summer so there's spiders

3035
02:23:34,980 --> 02:23:32,560
and potentially poisonous snakes

3036
02:23:40,140 --> 02:23:34,990
everywhere so like I may be Goblin may

3037
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:40,150
be 11 and my stress meter at this point

3038
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:42,610
in time because I'm trying to keep my

3039
02:23:47,430 --> 02:23:45,850
eyes on everything because again

3040
02:23:50,190 --> 02:23:47,440
yeah like Greg is completely isolated

3041
02:23:52,590 --> 02:23:50,200
he's he's cut off from the world at this

3042
02:23:54,420 --> 02:23:52,600
point in time so I we have to be his

3043
02:23:56,250 --> 02:23:54,430
eyes and his ears because he's going to

3044
02:23:58,410 --> 02:23:56,260
be experiencing things and he's not

3045
02:24:00,270 --> 02:23:58,420
going to be able to know you know if

3046
02:24:02,070 --> 02:24:00,280
something if a board is about to crash

3047
02:24:05,070 --> 02:24:02,080
down on him or if you know if something

3048
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:05,080
is gonna come out of the the space

3049
02:24:09,800 --> 02:24:08,170
around us so we were all really really

3050
02:24:13,500 --> 02:24:09,810
stressed out but I was definitely

3051
02:24:17,250 --> 02:24:13,510
definitely pushing uh you know at 11 or

3052
02:24:21,150 --> 02:24:17,260
12 yeah as a viewer I was pushing 11 or

3053
02:24:27,230 --> 02:24:21,160
12 and then everybody can go and watch

3054
02:24:33,300 --> 02:24:27,240
it the session ends but Greg you are

3055
02:24:37,250 --> 02:24:33,310
visually disturbed what what was going

3056
02:24:40,110 --> 02:24:37,260
through you took many many minutes to

3057
02:24:42,990 --> 02:24:40,120
orient yourself and you went through

3058
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:43,000
something very terrifying you can go and

3059
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:44,800
watch and see it was but I want to know

3060
02:24:48,630 --> 02:24:46,450
what was going on in your mind at that

3061
02:24:51,090 --> 02:24:48,640
moment when he sat up you took off the

3062
02:24:52,950 --> 02:24:51,100
headphones you sat there with the

3063
02:24:54,540 --> 02:24:52,960
ping-pong balls on for a few minutes you

3064
02:24:56,460 --> 02:24:54,550
didn't even make a move there I would

3065
02:24:57,800 --> 02:24:56,470
have ripped him off what was going

3066
02:25:00,680 --> 02:24:57,810
through your mind

3067
02:25:04,260 --> 02:25:00,690
what what happened

3068
02:25:06,600 --> 02:25:04,270
you know people can see exactly how it

3069
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:06,610
went down but the session ended before

3070
02:25:15,150 --> 02:25:10,930
it was supposed to something stopped the

3071
02:25:16,381 --> 02:25:15,160
session and it stopped it a pretty

3072
02:25:19,111 --> 02:25:16,391
frightening

3073
02:25:20,611 --> 02:25:19,121
moment where things were going to they

3074
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:20,621
certainly seemed like they were going to

3075
02:25:26,581 --> 02:25:23,280
progress to a place that was going to be

3076
02:25:28,621 --> 02:25:26,591
pretty frightening and something stopped

3077
02:25:30,600 --> 02:25:28,631
it the white noise actually stopped I

3078
02:25:33,031 --> 02:25:30,610
think like 15 minutes or so before it

3079
02:25:38,551 --> 02:25:33,041
was supposed to so something pulled me

3080
02:25:42,361 --> 02:25:38,561
out of the session and I had to process

3081
02:25:44,761 --> 02:25:42,371
that for a minute because not only what

3082
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:44,771
I was experiencing was frightening and

3083
02:25:51,421 --> 02:25:47,530
fairly extreme but the fact that

3084
02:25:54,961 --> 02:25:51,431
something decided no we're not gonna let

3085
02:25:59,220 --> 02:25:54,971
that happen was also frightening so I'm

3086
02:26:02,071 --> 02:25:59,230
you know my experience in Hellyer was

3087
02:26:05,310 --> 02:26:02,081
just constantly processing fear and

3088
02:26:08,551 --> 02:26:05,320
confusion basically for a week in this

3089
02:26:11,671 --> 02:26:08,561
you know was it just another another

3090
02:26:15,991 --> 02:26:11,681
chance to do that it was a very intense

3091
02:26:18,301 --> 02:26:16,001
moment and which I'm you know again I'm

3092
02:26:21,301 --> 02:26:18,311
leaving episode 5 off of the table I

3093
02:26:23,400 --> 02:26:21,311
just wanted to know how you guys were

3094
02:26:25,741 --> 02:26:23,410
we're dealing with that emotionally both

3095
02:26:28,081 --> 02:26:25,751
you know Dana's witnessing what is going

3096
02:26:29,821 --> 02:26:28,091
down and and so is Connor and Rashad and

3097
02:26:34,220 --> 02:26:29,831
Carl I mean they're all standing there

3098
02:26:36,150 --> 02:26:34,230
watching this very very stressful of

3099
02:26:39,751 --> 02:26:36,160
1518 minute period of where that

3100
02:26:43,711 --> 02:26:39,761
whatever it was but for you I just had

3101
02:26:45,480 --> 02:26:43,721
to know I that I can't imagine what your

3102
02:26:47,161 --> 02:26:45,490
nerves were like coming out of that

3103
02:26:51,060 --> 02:26:47,171
because you sat there for a while pretty

3104
02:26:53,991 --> 02:26:51,070
disoriented yeah and then to come out of

3105
02:26:56,881 --> 02:26:54,001
it and have them say there were things

3106
02:27:05,821 --> 02:26:56,891
whispering to us yeah no you were doing

3107
02:27:07,501 --> 02:27:05,831
this we were everybody we were talking

3108
02:27:10,921 --> 02:27:07,511
about all of that stuff off in the air

3109
02:27:13,711 --> 02:27:10,931
that was uh that was an intense that's

3110
02:27:15,841 --> 02:27:13,721
uh that's really well done all right you

3111
02:27:19,381 --> 02:27:15,851
know what I'm not ready to wrap up you

3112
02:27:21,930 --> 02:27:19,391
guys want to do some overtime sure yeah

3113
02:27:23,881 --> 02:27:21,940
you guys are too cool all right let's uh

3114
02:27:25,770 --> 02:27:23,891
let's take a break right here our guests

3115
02:27:27,720 --> 02:27:25,780
tonight are Greg and Dana Newkirk of

3116
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:27,730
course we are talking about their new

3117
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:30,250
docu-series it's called Hellyer it's on

3118
02:27:34,590 --> 02:27:32,800
Amazon you could also click on the links

3119
02:27:36,480 --> 02:27:34,600
over to me chirps radio calm hell your

3120
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TV is right there it's streaming there

3121
02:27:41,490 --> 02:27:39,480
you've got to go and check it out and

3122
02:27:43,440 --> 02:27:41,500
we're just gonna continue this

3123
02:27:44,850 --> 02:27:43,450
conversation fade to black I'm your

3124
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Jimmy Church we'll be right back after

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3205
02:32:16,680 --> 02:32:27,960
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3206
02:32:33,849 --> 02:32:31,479
welcome back fade to black heading into

3207
02:32:37,420 --> 02:32:33,859
some overtime with tonight's guest Greg

3208
02:32:39,990 --> 02:32:37,430
and Dana Newkirk discussing their new

3209
02:32:42,429 --> 02:32:40,000
docu-series it's called Hellyer it's on

3210
02:32:44,830 --> 02:32:42,439
Amazon and you can go and check it out

3211
02:32:47,649 --> 02:32:44,840
there and of course hell your dot TV is

3212
02:32:52,090 --> 02:32:47,659
a it's streaming there and it's great

3213
02:32:55,840 --> 02:32:52,100
website cast and crew and and everything

3214
02:32:59,200 --> 02:32:55,850
Hellyer is there okay let's let's let's

3215
02:33:04,599 --> 02:32:59,210
do a little after-show stuff the series

3216
02:33:06,939 --> 02:33:04,609
premieres and with that every every

3217
02:33:09,370 --> 02:33:06,949
strange thing starts to come out of the

3218
02:33:14,320 --> 02:33:09,380
woodwork and you have to start to wade

3219
02:33:15,849 --> 02:33:14,330
through this how extensive was that oh I

3220
02:33:20,110 --> 02:33:15,859
mean we we haven't even scratched the

3221
02:33:22,330 --> 02:33:20,120
surface now it's been unbelievable my

3222
02:33:24,269 --> 02:33:22,340
inbox every day is is just constantly

3223
02:33:27,010 --> 02:33:24,279
getting you know personal stories from

3224
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:27,020
Eastern Kentucky you know people who

3225
02:33:29,979 --> 02:33:28,880
want to help with you know something

3226
02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:29,989
else or people who've experienced

3227
02:33:34,570 --> 02:33:31,370
something similar in a completely

3228
02:33:38,729 --> 02:33:34,580
different part of the country so we have

3229
02:33:42,729 --> 02:33:38,739
our work cut out for us and what about

3230
02:33:45,070 --> 02:33:42,739
the other side which would be people

3231
02:33:48,010 --> 02:33:45,080
claiming to be from Helier or know

3232
02:33:50,500 --> 02:33:48,020
something about this case and and they

3233
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:50,510
need to reach out to you come into that

3234
02:33:58,240 --> 02:33:54,800
happened I think about as much as we

3235
02:34:00,880 --> 02:33:58,250
kind of expected and you know it's it's

3236
02:34:03,519 --> 02:34:00,890
it's just a matter of kind of doing our

3237
02:34:05,290 --> 02:34:03,529
due diligence and really going through

3238
02:34:06,700 --> 02:34:05,300
each one of those emails and each one of

3239
02:34:10,059 --> 02:34:06,710
those messages with the fine-tooth comb

3240
02:34:12,130 --> 02:34:10,069
and sort of you know looking for signs

3241
02:34:13,389 --> 02:34:12,140
that they potentially could be you know

3242
02:34:15,849 --> 02:34:13,399
from people who are just trying to hoax

3243
02:34:18,250 --> 02:34:15,859
us which is we were fully expecting that

3244
02:34:21,399 --> 02:34:18,260
so we were kind of ready for it we'd had

3245
02:34:23,380 --> 02:34:21,409
a meeting before it came out you know we

3246
02:34:26,889 --> 02:34:23,390
we keep in close touch with Carl and

3247
02:34:29,349 --> 02:34:26,899
Conor and we knew that as soon as Helier

3248
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:29,359
dropped we were gonna experience some of

3249
02:34:33,580 --> 02:34:31,010
that we were prepared for it and there's

3250
02:34:36,070 --> 02:34:33,590
a lot of information about the case that

3251
02:34:37,870 --> 02:34:36,080
we still have kept to ourselves so it's

3252
02:34:39,320 --> 02:34:37,880
one of the easiest ways to know who's

3253
02:34:43,011 --> 02:34:39,330
telling the truth and who

3254
02:34:46,011 --> 02:34:43,021
not right so you know it like I said

3255
02:34:48,410 --> 02:34:46,021
earlier in the show there's fake David

3256
02:34:51,020 --> 02:34:48,420
Christie Facebook pages that have popped

3257
02:34:53,420 --> 02:34:51,030
up and people have tried to point us to

3258
02:34:55,340 --> 02:34:53,430
them but it's pretty obvious the people

3259
02:34:57,860 --> 02:34:55,350
who are telling the truth and the people

3260
02:34:59,870 --> 02:34:57,870
who aren't just because we've we still

3261
02:35:04,730 --> 02:34:59,880
got some details that we've we've kept

3262
02:35:09,980 --> 02:35:04,740
secret now has anybody step forward out

3263
02:35:12,801 --> 02:35:09,990
of Hellyer to that that you have vetted

3264
02:35:13,430 --> 02:35:12,811
that does have something to add to this

3265
02:35:16,460 --> 02:35:13,440
case

3266
02:35:18,860 --> 02:35:16,470
oh there's I mean dozens there's dozens

3267
02:35:21,261 --> 02:35:18,870
of people who've emailed who who used to

3268
02:35:25,220 --> 02:35:21,271
live in in Helier or at least in the

3269
02:35:28,730 --> 02:35:25,230
Greater Pikeville area that have similar

3270
02:35:30,890 --> 02:35:28,740
experiences people who you know claim to

3271
02:35:33,261 --> 02:35:30,900
have had its three-toed footprints and

3272
02:35:34,640 --> 02:35:33,271
you know they know that they can take us

3273
02:35:37,720 --> 02:35:34,650
to a place where they saw these things

3274
02:35:40,280 --> 02:35:37,730
or people that have seen you know UFOs

3275
02:35:42,410 --> 02:35:40,290
one of the really interesting things we

3276
02:35:44,390 --> 02:35:42,420
started to notice towards the end of our

3277
02:35:48,890 --> 02:35:44,400
time in Helier and I think this is

3278
02:35:51,620 --> 02:35:48,900
barely touched on in the series is there

3279
02:35:54,890 --> 02:35:51,630
was this strange phenomena that we

3280
02:35:56,360 --> 02:35:54,900
started to experience where someone we'd

3281
02:35:58,850 --> 02:35:56,370
ask them hey have you ever seen anything

3282
02:36:00,170 --> 02:35:58,860
strange out here and they'll be like

3283
02:36:01,761 --> 02:36:00,180
well what are you talking about we'd be

3284
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:01,771
like well you know UFOs or strange

3285
02:36:05,360 --> 02:36:03,210
creatures or anything like that and they

3286
02:36:07,100 --> 02:36:05,370
go no never I lived here all my life and

3287
02:36:08,511 --> 02:36:07,110
I've never seen like that and then we're

3288
02:36:10,730 --> 02:36:08,521
just you know shooting the crap with

3289
02:36:12,380 --> 02:36:10,740
them 15 minutes later they go well there

3290
02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:12,390
was that one time that that you know

3291
02:36:17,180 --> 02:36:14,970
gigantic UFO hovered over the football

3292
02:36:18,350 --> 02:36:17,190
field back in the 70s and everybody kind

3293
02:36:22,310 --> 02:36:18,360
of stared at it and didn't know what to

3294
02:36:25,580 --> 02:36:22,320
do that type of thing happened so much

3295
02:36:27,680 --> 02:36:25,590
it started to become obvious to us that

3296
02:36:30,140 --> 02:36:27,690
something was going on with people's

3297
02:36:33,350 --> 02:36:30,150
memories there's even a moment in the

3298
02:36:35,210 --> 02:36:33,360
series concerning David's house or the

3299
02:36:37,910 --> 02:36:35,220
house we at least thought was David's

3300
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:37,920
where we even noticed that something was

3301
02:36:42,170 --> 02:36:38,610
wrong

3302
02:36:45,350 --> 02:36:42,180
we couldn't remember things that is only

3303
02:36:48,320 --> 02:36:45,360
continued to get worse the more we've

3304
02:36:50,301 --> 02:36:48,330
dug into this case and it almost feels

3305
02:36:51,671 --> 02:36:50,311
like there's some sort of an external

3306
02:36:55,781 --> 02:36:51,681
force

3307
02:36:58,921 --> 02:36:55,791
erasing things and what do you do with

3308
02:37:02,770 --> 02:36:58,931
that you both can answer this in that

3309
02:37:05,921 --> 02:37:02,780
you go into this feeling one way you

3310
02:37:08,081 --> 02:37:05,931
know a couple of years before and the

3311
02:37:11,951 --> 02:37:08,091
emails and the evidence that came in and

3312
02:37:15,911 --> 02:37:11,961
as things started to unfold you had

3313
02:37:18,881 --> 02:37:15,921
elements of every single segment of the

3314
02:37:23,111 --> 02:37:18,891
paranormal and supernatural and science

3315
02:37:26,440 --> 02:37:23,121
are all like coming together and these

3316
02:37:28,091 --> 02:37:26,450
dots are starting to get connected how

3317
02:37:31,151 --> 02:37:28,101
did you how did you start to process

3318
02:37:32,861 --> 02:37:31,161
that because it it leads you in so many

3319
02:37:38,850 --> 02:37:32,871
different directions but yet it was all

3320
02:37:41,921 --> 02:37:38,860
related it was oddly comforting to me

3321
02:37:45,730 --> 02:37:41,931
mostly just because at that point in

3322
02:37:47,020 --> 02:37:45,740
time you know for Greg and I we had kind

3323
02:37:49,480 --> 02:37:47,030
of dipped our toes and a lot of

3324
02:37:51,671 --> 02:37:49,490
different avenues of paranormal we had

3325
02:37:55,171 --> 02:37:51,681
investigated Bigfoot we had you know

3326
02:37:58,600 --> 02:37:55,181
gone out with you apologists and and so

3327
02:38:00,701 --> 02:37:58,610
at that point in time it was really kind

3328
02:38:02,591 --> 02:38:00,711
of comforting for me to be coming to

3329
02:38:05,831 --> 02:38:02,601
this realization that it is all

3330
02:38:08,801 --> 02:38:05,841
connected and that it is all the same

3331
02:38:10,270 --> 02:38:08,811
thing and that you know all of these

3332
02:38:14,470 --> 02:38:10,280
different experiences that we were

3333
02:38:16,151 --> 02:38:14,480
having they were all we were having them

3334
02:38:17,980 --> 02:38:16,161
for a reason there was some there was

3335
02:38:20,861 --> 02:38:17,990
there was the phenomena trying to get us

3336
02:38:21,881 --> 02:38:20,871
to to acknowledge it and and for me it

3337
02:38:23,081 --> 02:38:21,891
was very comforting

3338
02:38:26,261 --> 02:38:23,091
I don't know Greg might have a different

3339
02:38:27,791 --> 02:38:26,271
answer I mean it's overwhelming for me I

3340
02:38:29,140 --> 02:38:27,801
mean it might be comforting today in a

3341
02:38:33,310 --> 02:38:29,150
but it's a bit overwhelming for me

3342
02:38:34,901 --> 02:38:33,320
because you know when you we've slowly

3343
02:38:37,571 --> 02:38:34,911
gotten to the point where we realized

3344
02:38:39,761 --> 02:38:37,581
that it seemed it certainly seems like

3345
02:38:41,711 --> 02:38:39,771
most paranormal phenomena is connected

3346
02:38:44,020 --> 02:38:41,721
in some way whether that's a mental way

3347
02:38:45,581 --> 02:38:44,030
whether that's a spiritual way I don't

3348
02:38:47,491 --> 02:38:45,591
really know that we're still we're still

3349
02:38:49,961 --> 02:38:47,501
trying to figure that out for ourselves

3350
02:38:53,951 --> 02:38:49,971
but when you get to that point where

3351
02:38:55,301 --> 02:38:53,961
you're like oh okay so this is connected

3352
02:38:57,671 --> 02:38:55,311
to this and this is connected to this

3353
02:39:01,091 --> 02:38:57,681
and something that feels greater than us

3354
02:39:05,290 --> 02:39:01,101
is pushing us in a direction it's a bit

3355
02:39:08,170 --> 02:39:05,300
overwhelming because you know my

3356
02:39:10,480 --> 02:39:08,180
my intelligent half goes should we be

3357
02:39:13,360 --> 02:39:10,490
doing this should we be paying attention

3358
02:39:16,660 --> 02:39:13,370
should we be following this because you

3359
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:16,670
don't know what's on the other end and

3360
02:39:21,880 --> 02:39:18,770
that happens over and over it's very

3361
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:21,890
interesting to see how you guys deal

3362
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:25,520
with this any you know we we keep

3363
02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:28,490
bringing up ufology we're bringing a big

3364
02:39:33,910 --> 02:39:31,210
foot and we're bringing up cryptids

3365
02:39:36,910 --> 02:39:33,920
we're bringing up ghosts we're talking

3366
02:39:40,120 --> 02:39:36,920
about goblins right these are don't seem

3367
02:39:43,750 --> 02:39:40,130
to be connected at all but yet they are

3368
02:39:45,010 --> 02:39:43,760
clearly if you start to ignore this then

3369
02:39:46,780 --> 02:39:45,020
you are going to miss the big picture

3370
02:39:50,020 --> 02:39:46,790
and possibly the answers that you're

3371
02:39:53,590 --> 02:39:50,030
seeking right well that's the thing that

3372
02:39:57,370 --> 02:39:53,600
I love so much about Helier as a project

3373
02:39:58,870 --> 02:39:57,380
is you know there's a problem and and

3374
02:40:00,340 --> 02:39:58,880
this is something that anyone who's been

3375
02:40:01,630 --> 02:40:00,350
in the paranormal field for long enough

3376
02:40:03,160 --> 02:40:01,640
and even people who are watching from

3377
02:40:05,610 --> 02:40:03,170
the outside if you pay attention you'll

3378
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:05,620
notice this problem and the problem is

3379
02:40:10,990 --> 02:40:08,810
Bigfoot hunters don't talk to you a

3380
02:40:15,309 --> 02:40:11,000
follow gist you otologist don't talk to

3381
02:40:19,420 --> 02:40:15,319
ghost hunters there's this it's almost

3382
02:40:22,480 --> 02:40:19,430
like a feeling like okay i hot bigfoot

3383
02:40:24,610 --> 02:40:22,490
but at least i don't believe in aliens

3384
02:40:26,290 --> 02:40:24,620
at least I'm not an idiot who believes

3385
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:26,300
in ghosts that type of thing you know I

3386
02:40:30,130 --> 02:40:28,010
mean right a lot of Bigfoot hunters are

3387
02:40:32,110 --> 02:40:30,140
very flesh-and-blood a lot of you

3388
02:40:36,010 --> 02:40:32,120
apologists are very nuts-and-bolts

3389
02:40:38,380 --> 02:40:36,020
if these people shared information with

3390
02:40:40,179 --> 02:40:38,390
each other and they did cross over once

3391
02:40:41,889 --> 02:40:40,189
in a while they've noticed that some of

3392
02:40:44,170 --> 02:40:41,899
the stuff that they're experiencing is

3393
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:44,180
so similar to one another if they're

3394
02:40:47,980 --> 02:40:45,770
just viewing it through their own lenses

3395
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:47,990
and so I think that's one of the coolest

3396
02:40:53,650 --> 02:40:50,720
things about Helier as it shows that

3397
02:40:56,380 --> 02:40:53,660
there is crossover and it's it's woken a

3398
02:40:57,940 --> 02:40:56,390
lot of people up to that idea you know

3399
02:41:00,040 --> 02:40:57,950
people were confused they're like why

3400
02:41:01,870 --> 02:41:00,050
are they using you know parapsychology

3401
02:41:02,620 --> 02:41:01,880
equipment to talk to goblins I don't

3402
02:41:05,080 --> 02:41:02,630
understand

3403
02:41:07,179 --> 02:41:05,090
but as they watch they start to realize

3404
02:41:08,920 --> 02:41:07,189
oh they're doing that because there's

3405
02:41:13,630 --> 02:41:08,930
really not a big difference between this

3406
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:13,640
stuff and so it's it's different than

3407
02:41:18,980 --> 02:41:16,640
what people would expect especially

3408
02:41:21,230 --> 02:41:18,990
people who are fans of paranormal tell

3409
02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:21,240
vision when they're very used to very

3410
02:41:27,500 --> 02:41:24,690
cut and dry three-act structure there's

3411
02:41:28,820 --> 02:41:27,510
a goblin there's a town we're gonna go

3412
02:41:30,801 --> 02:41:28,830
we're gonna interview people we're gonna

3413
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,811
do an investigation we're gonna find a

3414
02:41:35,030 --> 02:41:32,880
goblin it doesn't work like that

3415
02:41:38,801 --> 02:41:35,040
because that's really not how paranormal

3416
02:41:41,270 --> 02:41:38,811
investigation works it is a series of

3417
02:41:43,220 --> 02:41:41,280
twists and turns and dead ends and

3418
02:41:45,711 --> 02:41:43,230
carrots and sometimes the answers that

3419
02:41:48,711 --> 02:41:45,721
you get aren't convenient for your own

3420
02:41:51,171 --> 02:41:48,721
worldview and I think showing that is

3421
02:41:56,810 --> 02:41:51,181
really important there was something

3422
02:42:00,261 --> 02:41:56,820
else that kept coming up throughout the

3423
02:42:04,660 --> 02:42:00,271
series and I want your reaction to this

3424
02:42:09,230 --> 02:42:04,670
I heard over and over and over again

3425
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:09,240
three years ago all right three years

3426
02:42:14,540 --> 02:42:11,010
ago this happened and well yeah well

3427
02:42:17,240 --> 02:42:14,550
yeah but three years ago three years ago

3428
02:42:19,370 --> 02:42:17,250
three years ago and I and I was sitting

3429
02:42:21,680 --> 02:42:19,380
there going well that's kind of about

3430
02:42:24,171 --> 02:42:21,690
the time the first email came in and

3431
02:42:28,820 --> 02:42:24,181
that's kind of about the time here and

3432
02:42:32,450 --> 02:42:28,830
this is so what did you pick up on that

3433
02:42:37,250 --> 02:42:32,460
oh yeah I think the question that we

3434
02:42:40,450 --> 02:42:37,260
left Helier with is is this cyclical is

3435
02:42:43,970 --> 02:42:40,460
this something is the phenomena cyclical

3436
02:42:46,761 --> 02:42:43,980
and it seems to just to appear to us

3437
02:42:49,820 --> 02:42:46,771
that it is and you know one of the

3438
02:42:51,560 --> 02:42:49,830
things that Carl in particular has done

3439
02:42:54,801 --> 02:42:51,570
and you see glimpses of this in the

3440
02:42:58,160 --> 02:42:54,811
series is he has a map and he's been

3441
02:43:01,600 --> 02:42:58,170
pinpointing things with dates and areas

3442
02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:01,610
and locations and lots of red yarn and

3443
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:03,690
it's getting to the point where I think

3444
02:43:09,560 --> 02:43:06,960
the big question now is if if it is

3445
02:43:11,000 --> 02:43:09,570
cyclical and we can pinpoint these

3446
02:43:12,410 --> 02:43:11,010
things and where these things are

3447
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:12,420
happening and we can figure out a

3448
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:14,730
pattern can we get to the point where we

3449
02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:17,760
can predict the next flap area where we

3450
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:19,650
can predict where this thing is going to

3451
02:43:24,470 --> 02:43:21,690
emerge next and I think that's a big

3452
02:43:26,150 --> 02:43:24,480
part of what we're onto now Dana I want

3453
02:43:29,690 --> 02:43:26,160
to hear your answer to that this whole

3454
02:43:31,461 --> 02:43:29,700
three years ago comment which which

3455
02:43:35,031 --> 02:43:31,471
seemed to

3456
02:43:37,220 --> 02:43:35,041
repeat itself you're thinking from a

3457
02:43:39,401 --> 02:43:37,230
different mindset what what were you

3458
02:43:41,810 --> 02:43:39,411
thinking about this this three years ago

3459
02:43:46,941 --> 02:43:41,820
comment that just kept getting repeated

3460
02:43:49,371 --> 02:43:46,951
I look at it as another another

3461
02:43:52,251 --> 02:43:49,381
synchronicity and another sign another

3462
02:43:55,341 --> 02:43:52,261
post like what for me my brain instantly

3463
02:43:57,701 --> 02:43:55,351
goes to astrology and I'm trying to see

3464
02:44:00,770 --> 02:43:57,711
if there's correlations between you know

3465
02:44:02,390 --> 02:44:00,780
said date you know three years ago and

3466
02:44:04,850 --> 02:44:02,400
and the date that we're talking about

3467
02:44:07,371 --> 02:44:04,860
now I feel like all of those things are

3468
02:44:09,381 --> 02:44:07,381
again they're these signposts that we're

3469
02:44:12,350 --> 02:44:09,391
supposed to be looking into what was

3470
02:44:13,461 --> 02:44:12,360
happening at that time it's important to

3471
02:44:15,020 --> 02:44:13,471
look into what was happening at that

3472
02:44:17,060 --> 02:44:15,030
time because it's gonna give us a lot

3473
02:44:19,421 --> 02:44:17,070
more insight into what we potentially

3474
02:44:23,211 --> 02:44:19,431
should be looking for in the future and

3475
02:44:26,151 --> 02:44:23,221
the the three years ago comments was

3476
02:44:29,810 --> 02:44:26,161
coming from people that it was in

3477
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:29,820
different timelines and different scenes

3478
02:44:33,591 --> 02:44:31,650
they weren't all you know grouped

3479
02:44:36,261 --> 02:44:33,601
together you know saying three years ago

3480
02:44:38,930 --> 02:44:36,271
this was coming from different sources

3481
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:38,940
and different witnesses but clearly

3482
02:44:44,451 --> 02:44:41,610
something went down three years ago when

3483
02:44:46,581 --> 02:44:44,461
Haley er that was a pretty significant

3484
02:44:50,591 --> 02:44:46,591
and a tight end you know to the UFO that

3485
02:44:53,751 --> 02:44:50,601
was over the town all day long certainly

3486
02:44:57,051 --> 02:44:53,761
with a David Christie's email coming

3487
02:44:58,671 --> 02:44:57,061
into you it was a pretty significant

3488
02:45:02,600 --> 02:44:58,681
moment for the for the town of Hellyer

3489
02:45:07,720 --> 02:45:02,610
wasn't it well there's another aspect to

3490
02:45:12,350 --> 02:45:07,730
this too where it almost seems like

3491
02:45:16,571 --> 02:45:12,360
certain actions trigger a certain

3492
02:45:18,651 --> 02:45:16,581
response and whatever happened then

3493
02:45:20,571 --> 02:45:18,661
something triggered something and

3494
02:45:22,131 --> 02:45:20,581
something something triggered all of

3495
02:45:24,501 --> 02:45:22,141
this phenomena this high strangest that

3496
02:45:26,511 --> 02:45:24,511
was happening in Helier one of the

3497
02:45:30,051 --> 02:45:26,521
things that I can say about where the

3498
02:45:33,441 --> 02:45:30,061
case is now is it seems very obvious to

3499
02:45:36,470 --> 02:45:33,451
us now that us going to hell yer

3500
02:45:39,861 --> 02:45:36,480
triggered something else to happen and

3501
02:45:41,930 --> 02:45:39,871
that is has been consistent and so this

3502
02:45:44,990 --> 02:45:41,940
idea of things happening on a specific

3503
02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:45,000
date there's things that

3504
02:45:49,280 --> 02:45:46,650
we'll be revealed in the second season

3505
02:45:52,010 --> 02:45:49,290
that happened on significant dates that

3506
02:45:56,210 --> 02:45:52,020
we had no idea until until much later

3507
02:45:59,420 --> 02:45:56,220
so dates and times and places are

3508
02:46:02,060 --> 02:45:59,430
important because they are triggers to

3509
02:46:04,820 --> 02:46:02,070
starting something else it's like you

3510
02:46:07,070 --> 02:46:04,830
just flick a domino and then everything

3511
02:46:10,130 --> 02:46:07,080
else starts to go and I think what's

3512
02:46:12,290 --> 02:46:10,140
really interesting is our experience in

3513
02:46:14,300 --> 02:46:12,300
hell you're the second time the reason

3514
02:46:16,430 --> 02:46:14,310
it's so much different from the first

3515
02:46:21,530 --> 02:46:16,440
time is because something had changed

3516
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:21,540
and we needed to go to Helier and maybe

3517
02:46:28,820 --> 02:46:25,770
do something to start or at least

3518
02:46:31,190 --> 02:46:28,830
continue that domino effect in it and it

3519
02:46:36,980 --> 02:46:31,200
continued once we got there and did the

3520
02:46:38,870 --> 02:46:36,990
thing it continued the okay I'm just

3521
02:46:42,050 --> 02:46:38,880
gonna push you guys as high as far as I

3522
02:46:44,990 --> 02:46:42,060
can push you when it comes to David

3523
02:46:50,420 --> 02:46:45,000
Christie or or Terry wrist

3524
02:46:57,170 --> 02:46:50,430
have they resurfaced that would be a big

3525
02:46:59,270 --> 02:46:57,180
spoiler I can't say so they did well so

3526
02:46:59,720 --> 02:46:59,280
they did otherwise you would say no they

3527
02:47:06,830 --> 02:46:59,730
didn't

3528
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:06,840
so they Devi okay let's say if let's say

3529
02:47:14,060 --> 02:47:08,730
if they did Dana

3530
02:47:17,270 --> 02:47:14,070
I'll ask Dana our last Dana if they did

3531
02:47:27,440 --> 02:47:17,280
surface would you have met them in

3532
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:27,450
person I think I knew I did that the

3533
02:47:38,870 --> 02:47:36,860
the goal is well I think this is the

3534
02:47:41,630 --> 02:47:38,880
question our David and Terry the same

3535
02:47:43,970 --> 02:47:41,640
person I think let's put you on that

3536
02:47:49,310 --> 02:47:43,980
question well our David Terry same

3537
02:47:52,700 --> 02:47:49,320
person and and how do we know how do we

3538
02:47:55,160 --> 02:47:52,710
know god it's so I'm like walking

3539
02:47:58,791 --> 02:47:55,170
through a minefield right now how do we

3540
02:48:01,371 --> 02:47:58,801
know how to find Terry

3541
02:48:04,430 --> 02:48:01,381
and how do we know he was a real person

3542
02:48:09,081 --> 02:48:04,440
I think that is one of the things that

3543
02:48:14,961 --> 02:48:09,091
we're we're onto now and finding Terry

3544
02:48:17,631 --> 02:48:14,971
and finding why this happened that's

3545
02:48:18,440 --> 02:48:17,641
well that's the question that's the

3546
02:48:21,650 --> 02:48:18,450
question

3547
02:48:23,780 --> 02:48:21,660
are you were you able to I'm excited for

3548
02:48:24,770 --> 02:48:23,790
for for part two here there's no doubt

3549
02:48:29,961 --> 02:48:24,780
about it

3550
02:48:32,020 --> 02:48:29,971
were you able to go back and and get one

3551
02:48:37,730 --> 02:48:32,030
of the biggest questions resolved here

3552
02:48:43,041 --> 02:48:37,740
why your original geo cities web site

3553
02:48:46,940 --> 02:48:43,051
and email why was that selected by David

3554
02:48:49,161 --> 02:48:46,950
or Terry or or or if you know that but

3555
02:48:52,970 --> 02:48:49,171
were you able to get that answer that's

3556
02:48:55,751 --> 02:48:52,980
that's hanging out there for me I will

3557
02:48:58,461 --> 02:48:55,761
answer your question this way I don't I

3558
02:49:01,070 --> 02:48:58,471
I can't give you a certain answer to

3559
02:49:04,011 --> 02:49:01,080
this all I can tell you is what I think

3560
02:49:07,791 --> 02:49:04,021
now and I think what a lot of us in this

3561
02:49:12,310 --> 02:49:07,801
in this case have come to think is time

3562
02:49:15,350 --> 02:49:12,320
is not linear time is linear for us so

3563
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:15,360
somebody sending me that email back then

3564
02:49:24,140 --> 02:49:19,530
would have meant nothing but if someone

3565
02:49:28,400 --> 02:49:24,150
had a sufficiently far enough view of

3566
02:49:31,100 --> 02:49:28,410
time they would know that in a few years

3567
02:49:33,140 --> 02:49:31,110
we would be in a position where that

3568
02:49:37,211 --> 02:49:33,150
would mean something that's exactly the

3569
02:49:42,440 --> 02:49:37,221
point I find that so bizarrely strange

3570
02:49:47,211 --> 02:49:42,450
that it was sent to at that time on that

3571
02:49:49,131 --> 02:49:47,221
website to somebody that would later you

3572
02:49:54,911 --> 02:49:49,141
know obviously partner up with Dana and

3573
02:49:58,881 --> 02:49:54,921
and go off to a very successful

3574
02:50:00,470 --> 02:49:58,891
paranormal research career and become

3575
02:50:02,780 --> 02:50:00,480
somebody that is you know part of our

3576
02:50:04,940 --> 02:50:02,790
community but you wouldn't know that

3577
02:50:07,161 --> 02:50:04,950
going off of that geo city's website

3578
02:50:11,390 --> 02:50:07,171
with a bunch of kids with torches and

3579
02:50:12,320 --> 02:50:11,400
battle-axes and and there's a moment in

3580
02:50:16,370 --> 02:50:12,330
the fifth

3581
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:16,380
episode where we call our really good

3582
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:20,250
friend John Tenney yes one of the people

3583
02:50:24,139 --> 02:50:22,560
that we respect the most in this field

3584
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:24,149
we've learned a lot from him and he's

3585
02:50:26,900 --> 02:50:25,530
been around a long time and experienced

3586
02:50:29,660 --> 02:50:26,910
a lot of stuff in a moment of

3587
02:50:31,910 --> 02:50:29,670
frustration you know he's kind of he's

3588
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:31,920
Gramps he's who we call we need some

3589
02:50:39,610 --> 02:50:35,130
advice and he says something that has

3590
02:50:43,270 --> 02:50:39,620
stuck with us continuously and that is

3591
02:50:47,179 --> 02:50:43,280
this will not make sense to you on a

3592
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:47,189
linear timeline these types of things

3593
02:50:51,469 --> 02:50:49,290
typically in the paranormal the longer

3594
02:50:53,929 --> 02:50:51,479
you do it the more you realize some

3595
02:50:55,880 --> 02:50:53,939
things only make sense once you have the

3596
02:50:58,340 --> 02:50:55,890
right context so you're getting chunks

3597
02:51:02,179 --> 02:50:58,350
here and there so if we are dealing with

3598
02:51:05,000 --> 02:51:02,189
somebody or something that is more than

3599
02:51:08,660 --> 02:51:05,010
us they would have a better idea of how

3600
02:51:16,460 --> 02:51:08,670
to specifically line things up so that

3601
02:51:19,550 --> 02:51:16,470
something specific occurs I know that

3602
02:51:22,250 --> 02:51:19,560
yes all that from 10 II was great but he

3603
02:51:31,099 --> 02:51:22,260
says something else had just Ford me he

3604
02:51:35,570 --> 02:51:31,109
goes and you will lose your mind just

3605
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:35,580
floored me well congratulations I mean

3606
02:51:40,340 --> 02:51:37,920
the the series is great it's it's so

3607
02:51:42,830 --> 02:51:40,350
well done and I think there's a lot in

3608
02:51:45,050 --> 02:51:42,840
it for everybody no matter what part of

3609
02:51:47,870 --> 02:51:45,060
this community that you come from and

3610
02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:47,880
any research because every you know

3611
02:51:53,500 --> 02:51:49,530
there's a little bit of everything in

3612
02:51:57,860 --> 02:51:53,510
there for us all but when can we expect

3613
02:52:00,710 --> 02:51:57,870
the next installment we started shooting

3614
02:52:03,380 --> 02:52:00,720
it in December and like I said it's it's

3615
02:52:04,910 --> 02:52:03,390
much bigger now the scope is much wider

3616
02:52:10,460 --> 02:52:04,920
which I think people will get a feel for

3617
02:52:12,650 --> 02:52:10,470
when they finish the series so madhva

3618
02:52:14,900 --> 02:52:12,660
sumit probably come out sometime early

3619
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:14,910
next year it really just depends on what

3620
02:52:20,179 --> 02:52:17,520
we get on to and how much support the

3621
02:52:23,240 --> 02:52:20,189
first season gets so we're hard at work

3622
02:52:25,700 --> 02:52:23,250
we were hard at work Karl is already

3623
02:52:26,301 --> 02:52:25,710
editing things he's sending us little

3624
02:52:29,480 --> 02:52:26,311
he's the

3625
02:52:30,890 --> 02:52:29,490
because he waits until there's nothing

3626
02:52:32,690 --> 02:52:30,900
going on and then he'll just go good

3627
02:52:35,001 --> 02:52:32,700
morning and he'll send us a clip that

3628
02:52:36,830 --> 02:52:35,011
will blow our minds and just make us

3629
02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:36,840
excited for it to be finished yeah he

3630
02:52:40,700 --> 02:52:39,210
started where he says he's such an

3631
02:52:45,620 --> 02:52:40,710
interesting guy and he's also in

3632
02:52:48,200 --> 02:52:45,630
Loveland and our conference is in

3633
02:52:51,140 --> 02:52:48,210
Loveland over the July 4th weekend our

3634
02:52:52,761 --> 02:52:51,150
sole tech conference and I would love

3635
02:52:54,921 --> 02:52:52,771
for him to come up and hang out that

3636
02:52:59,211 --> 02:52:54,931
would be really cool you know Loveland

3637
02:53:02,390 --> 02:52:59,221
is about the size of my hand so he can

3638
02:53:05,301 --> 02:53:02,400
just he can walk there from wherever he

3639
02:53:09,230 --> 02:53:05,311
lives you guys are getting ready to head

3640
02:53:12,350 --> 02:53:09,240
on the road what are you doing we were

3641
02:53:14,180 --> 02:53:12,360
getting ready for our 2019 traveling

3642
02:53:16,910 --> 02:53:14,190
museum of the paranormal many in the

3643
02:53:19,850 --> 02:53:16,920
occult exhibitions so we're on our way

3644
02:53:21,801 --> 02:53:19,860
to the Queen Mary out in Long Beach

3645
02:53:24,051 --> 02:53:21,811
California and then the next weekend

3646
02:53:26,540 --> 02:53:24,061
we're gonna be in Hawaii and then it's

3647
02:53:28,310 --> 02:53:26,550
just kind of a full-court press for the

3648
02:53:31,131 --> 02:53:28,320
rest of the year all over the country

3649
02:53:33,470 --> 02:53:31,141
with our traveling museum wait a minute

3650
02:53:37,341 --> 02:53:33,480
you're gonna be in my backyard this

3651
02:53:40,131 --> 02:53:37,351
weekend yeah I think we get into town

3652
02:53:41,900 --> 02:53:40,141
Thursday night Thursday night you are

3653
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:41,910
gonna be at the Queen Mary

3654
02:53:46,400 --> 02:53:45,840
this weekend March 8th 9th and 10th you

3655
02:53:49,490 --> 02:53:46,410
got it

3656
02:53:51,171 --> 02:53:49,500
yeah with strange escapes ok Rita we're

3657
02:53:56,450 --> 02:53:51,181
heading we're gonna have dinner in Long

3658
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:56,460
Beach with a Dana and Greg let's do it I

3659
02:54:00,320 --> 02:53:58,080
guess we're heading south let's get that

3660
02:54:02,150 --> 02:54:00,330
set up I want to check it out I didn't

3661
02:54:03,650 --> 02:54:02,160
you said you were heading west you

3662
02:54:06,830 --> 02:54:03,660
didn't say that you were heading into my

3663
02:54:10,280 --> 02:54:06,840
neighborhood there's a difference well

3664
02:54:12,921 --> 02:54:10,290
it all blends together you know the from

3665
02:54:15,440 --> 02:54:12,931
Spring until fall where we live on the

3666
02:54:17,450 --> 02:54:15,450
road basically so sometimes I forget

3667
02:54:19,160 --> 02:54:17,460
it's a good thing I have Dana to keep my

3668
02:54:22,100 --> 02:54:19,170
head wrapped around straight yeah I

3669
02:54:25,100 --> 02:54:22,110
speak I speak the same language there

3670
02:54:27,500 --> 02:54:25,110
but the

3671
02:54:31,790 --> 02:54:27,510
the dates for the traveling museum are

3672
02:54:32,480 --> 02:54:31,800
at weird HQ uh there actually if you go

3673
02:54:35,091 --> 02:54:32,490
to para

3674
02:54:36,171 --> 02:54:35,101
museum calm you can find all the dates

3675
02:54:39,290 --> 02:54:36,181
for the rest of the year and we're

3676
02:54:40,850 --> 02:54:39,300
adding dates constantly so if if there

3677
02:54:42,680 --> 02:54:40,860
you don't see your town on there just

3678
02:54:44,660 --> 02:54:42,690
keep checking and if you want to

3679
02:54:47,480 --> 02:54:44,670
somewhere just let somebody know we're

3680
02:54:49,551 --> 02:54:47,490
always down to travel absolutely amazing

3681
02:54:51,801 --> 02:54:49,561
conversation tonight and and this series

3682
02:54:56,450 --> 02:54:51,811
is great congratulations on that you

3683
02:54:59,051 --> 02:54:56,460
guys deserve it that is I the the what I

3684
02:55:01,790 --> 02:54:59,061
got out of it was that you guys just

3685
02:55:04,881 --> 02:55:01,800
documented the events in a chronological

3686
02:55:07,070 --> 02:55:04,891
order and and laid it out there so

3687
02:55:09,320 --> 02:55:07,080
everybody could see this thing unfold

3688
02:55:11,660 --> 02:55:09,330
from start to finish and you couldn't do

3689
02:55:13,660 --> 02:55:11,670
that in a 90-minute documentary it had

3690
02:55:16,810 --> 02:55:13,670
to be it had to be done this way and

3691
02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:16,820
congratulations on a labor of love

3692
02:55:21,980 --> 02:55:20,010
absolutely I really appreciate it and it

3693
02:55:23,480 --> 02:55:21,990
really meant a lot that you had us on to

3694
02:55:25,900 --> 02:55:23,490
talk about it I really appreciate that

3695
02:55:29,060 --> 02:55:25,910
alright and I guess we'll see you guys

3696
02:55:31,011 --> 02:55:29,070
today's Monday safe travels and we'll

3697
02:55:34,520 --> 02:55:31,021
see you this weekend down in Long Beach

3698
02:55:37,700 --> 02:55:34,530
thank you so much thanks man thank you

3699
02:55:41,860 --> 02:55:37,710
Thank You Dana and Greg Newkirk thank

3700
02:55:48,860 --> 02:55:44,540
amazing conversation tonight now go over

3701
02:55:49,790 --> 02:55:48,870
to it's very simple go over to Jimmy

3702
02:55:52,100 --> 02:55:49,800
Church radio.com

3703
02:55:54,620 --> 02:55:52,110
and you can see Greg and Dana's a

3704
02:55:58,881 --> 02:55:54,630
section on the homepage right there and

3705
02:56:01,610 --> 02:55:58,891
weird HQ and Hell your dot TV are at the

3706
02:56:04,970 --> 02:56:01,620
bottom and you can also see and click on

3707
02:56:07,610 --> 02:56:04,980
both of those but you can go straight to

3708
02:56:10,250 --> 02:56:07,620
Amazon and just look up Hellyer and

3709
02:56:15,051 --> 02:56:10,260
it'll pop up right there it's it's

3710
02:56:17,660 --> 02:56:15,061
pretty amazing and I I was at I was at

3711
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the point when I was binging it where I

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was just stopped in my tracks and I knew

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at that point that we had to get them on

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the show it's it's first off for me it's

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too important of a docu-series but the

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other part is when I do this show

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night after night or you know year after

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year and I'm talking about all of these

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subjects

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and and I see it play out in this series

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like I did bringing them on to give you

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the background of this of everything so

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you can go back and watch it knowing the

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information that you got from Greg and

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Dana tonight will make it all that more

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special so go and check it out hell

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you're on Amazon and with that I want to

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let everybody know what's going on for

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the rest of the week here tomorrow night

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Mitch Horowitz is here and it's going to

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be a great conversation and not only are

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we going to discuss Mitch's to books and

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what he's working on now but he's also

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one of our featured speakers for our

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soul tech conference coming up over the

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July 4th weekend so we're gonna get a

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sneak preview on what he is going to be

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presenting at soul tech Wednesday night

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is our sole tech special event which is

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also premiering our new documentary it

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is called boarding benevolence that was

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shot up at soul tech 2018 at ISA t ranch

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and I'm very proud of the documentary

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and we will have a few very cool special

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guests on Wednesday night Thursday night

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of course is another Fator night with

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open lines all night long I am your host

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02:58:06,890 --> 02:58:03,271
Jimmy Church fade to black cigs ecute of

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producer is Rita Kumari on the show is

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produced by Hilton Jay Paul Renae

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Dennison BOM announcers our Steve harder

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Jean Vitolo Marty Cove our webmaster is

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drew the geek music doug aldrich intro

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space boys space boy music calm fade to

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the planet is broadcast on a copyright

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of 2019 by fade to black and the game

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changer network it cannot be rebroadcast

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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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the known universe without written

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permission from fade to black of the

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GameChanger network i'm your host jimmy

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church i'll see everybody here tomorrow

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night follow me on twitter @ JT radio

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until then

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everybody be safe go back late tapping